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[koopashell]

If you are unable to have the ability to try to think outside of the box in terms of how villagers act and instead project your idea on how they should act you will often fail to find wolves and that will reflect in your accuracy.
What I did at game start was frankly, ridiculous that people focused on it, and even moreso - assumed it was a *scum gambit*. I really would hope that was done because actual wolves do this on this site and not some self serving assumption on how you think villagers need to play the game.

[koopashell]

Now, i believe there is a PoE i had that I would like to follow - *avoiding* the Not Mafia slot for now as votes there will be somewhat useless for pressure from what I hear and see from their few posts as being some sort of troll.

[Gamma Emerald]

what a surprising turn of events

do you have any input that isn't shallow?

[Save The Dragons]

do you?

[Not Known 15]

You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.

No, your play and mechanical understanding are

bad

. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later then

you

need to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-town

then you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.

Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes from

town

?
That's

lying about motivations for townreads/scumreads

.

Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is

75%

!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.

[koopashell]

You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.

No, your play and mechanical understanding are

bad

. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later then

you

need to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-town

then you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.

Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes from

town

?
That's

lying about motivations for townreads/scumreads

.

Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is

75%

!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.

Didn't Read+L+Ratio

[koopashell]

I actually have a >60% winrate as both alignments in both vanilla-esque and role heavy setups, you should not try to lecture me thanks.

[Not Known 15]

I actually have a >60% winrate as both alignments in both vanilla-esque and role heavy setups, you should not try to lecture me thanks.

On this site? Because other sites don't matter much.

[Radical Rat]

I think this is a discussion that would probably be better to have in the postgame. Unless you still think koopashell could be scum gambiting hard here, but judging by your unvote I don't think that's the case.

[koopashell]

VOTE: Save The Dragons6

[Gamma Emerald]

do you?

Maybe a little but I feel like a side piece to this koopashell situation rn

[Save The Dragons]

don't we all

[Save The Dragons]

so do you not like my reads? or what

[Not Known 15]

Explain your reads, STD.

[Gamma Emerald]

so do you not like my reads? or what

I don’t like that they’re so sparse
Also, why is it weird that I’m voting you?

[Save The Dragons]

koopa's town read is explained

gamma i'm not sure about anymore

kdcaspot is for 95 i don't think scum tries to defend me for being on V/LA. it's possible but seems more likely scum would just sit back and say nothing

[Save The Dragons]

why are you voting me

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted to draw out more content from someone and out of you and NM, it seemed more likely I’d get some from you

[koopashell]

I think Save The Dragons is a wolf.

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE:

Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now

You expected wrong

[Not Known 15]

koopa's town read is explained

gamma i'm not sure about anymore

kdcaspot is for 95 i don't think scum tries to defend me for being on V/LA. it's possible but seems more likely scum would just sit back and say nothing

The rest is null atm?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also why was I town before, you opted to waffle on that read instead of actually explaining it

[koopashell]

UNVOTE:

Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now

You expected wrong

[Not Known 15]

UNVOTE:

Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now

You expected wrong

Not_Mafia, what are your reads?

[Not_Mafia]

I think RadRat knows better than to push a day 1 utility elim on me