UK Eastermeet 2022 Invitational (Game over!)

[Postie]

Every player starts the game with 1 potato.
[...]
Once potatoes have been eaten at the start of Day 2 and any starving Town players have died, all potatoes will be confiscated and this mechanic will cease to exist.

Cut the player list in half on day 1 you say?
... Now I'm worried about a scum potato-stealer

[Postie]

Day 1 quickguess: evil team is Primate and Bella, Cpol cult something.

Early townread based on the fact that all my experience with scum!Cerys at the meet was her being a confused lurker that only actively pushes ideas for who's scum when cornered.

Also early townread on CES. Struggling at this point to explain beyond "thought process looks like genuine scumhunting". Can try explain further at request.

@Cerys, CES

- what are your reads on each other?

[Postie]

Menno townread for reasons that would be unwise for me to go into (not role-related).

Primate's nomination seems both objectively pro-town in getting us out of RVS, but also NAI. I'm not sure if that's contradictory and I should be actually be townreading him and am just too sleepy to realise.

VOTE: Bellaphant

For information

[Postie]

Oh wait Klick's in the game
KLICK WHAT'S YOUR READ ON BELLA

Yes I am just asking people to give me reads on their SOs

P-Edit: Noted

[Postie]

UNVOTE:

Don't like Bella execution anymore.
One sec, catching up.

[Postie]

Day 1 quickguess: evil team is Primate and Bella, Cpol cult something.

This screams scum with information that there are multiple teams out there.

nope don't like this
intellectually lazy reasoning from someone I know can do better

VOTE: mykonian

And then there's you. I don't even mind the townreads so much as that you don't have any scumreads. And then... defaulting on cpol already? If someone's playing to their meta it's them.

OTOH, I like this because Chris is definitely just doing Chris things, but also makes for potential easy execution bait given people have interpreted the characteristically Chris laziness in a negative light so far and he has been misexecuted in quite a few IRL games. So defending him here is not very pro scum utility.

@myko

- For someone accusing everyone else of having too many townreads and not enough scumreads, it's weird that you're not voting anyone. Vote a scumread and explain it please.

@Primate

- Can you explain your myko scumread to me?

[Postie]

nexus towny

agreed.

Are these reads real or a meme
Is there something I don't know about Nexus' meta

Although instinctively I still think Chris' offer here to give his up is irrational and therefore scummy.

He literally did the same thing as town at the meet. I would say it's solidly NAI. Maybe at a stretch you could argue he should have learned to do better rather than staying so static in his plays.

I'm not scum, but do see myself as low hanging fruit for an execution - either today or another day, so hopefully I can remove myself from that consideration and we can scum hunt elsewhere

[Postie]

VOTE: Menno

[Postie]

Wait

??????????

VOTE: cpol

[Postie]

Fenchurch, you're absolutely the next execution after cpol

Edited to remove outdated language. Badger by PM incoming! - CDB

[Postie]

Oh, what's this? During the Night, cpol gained a potato.

Yes, that's why you're both scum

[Postie]

Okay: are you a town potato vendor?

[Postie]

Well, with that cleared up: there is no town potato vendor, obviously. Potato vendor only has scum utility. Give me one good reason someone would put a town potato vendor in a set up like this, where taking potatos from people is clearly designed to give town more executions.

[Postie]

Vanilla Regards,

Is this intended as a claim? If so, why would you be claiming at this point in the game?

(Welcome back etc)

[Postie]

Please do.

Wenna, why aren't you voting cpol?

[Postie]

Go for it, stretch, as long as it's not about potatoes.

Potatoes! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stupid mafia game so noone talks about anything other than potatoes.

I know this was directed at Shanba, but I want you to elaborate on this. We can't pass potatos around anymore, so what are you referring to?

[Postie]

nope don't like that
I'm gonna need you to walk me through why your vote isn't on cpol right now

[Postie]

Wenna, why do you think cpol gained a potato?

[Postie]

Can everyone who isn't voting cpol from this point forward explain to me why because I feel like I'm going insane

[Postie]

Wait shit you're right
I was wondering wether Menno was third party or something because I was sure they were scum before cpol showed up with a potato and Fenchurch tried to start arguing he was conftown
But Menno / Menno's scumpartner giving cpol a potato to try and delay their own execution is... possible
Urgrndjdkdmsl

Edited to remove outdated language - CDB

[Postie]

Can everyone who isn't voting cpol from this point forward explain to me why because I feel like I'm going insane

[Postie]

Also ffs this isn't about potatos it's about the fact someone *stopped an execution from happening* and I hate that people are handwaving that away as "potato discourse"

[Postie]

I keep forgetting scum can survive without potatos, but obviously then they would be executed the next day so same difference? Probably not quite but I have brain frog
Uh I guess to be clear since I think I didn't state it outright: I think Fenchurch and cpol are trying to cover up a fuck up in an attempted passing the potato back and forth LAMISTy thing
That, or this is a scum!Menno distraction

[Postie]

Also don't have that much of a read on cpol, but I don't see why any of his action would be indicative of scum, getting rid of his own potato would be a risky play.

Less risky if a planned play with scum Fenchurch. Which I'm inclined to believe it was. They even get to argue he's conftown now, apparently, lmao.

Also in this specific game, we don't know if the scum would have survived without a potato. This isn't the wereleg game, the same rules need not apply.

Potato rules in this game say: "Any Town-aligned player who is unable to eat a potato at that time (i.e. doesn't have at least 1) will immediately die."

[Postie]

Folks if I am nightkilled please please promise me you're executing cpol and Fenchurch immediately after

Postie how do you feel about the big old mcmenno wagon, given your insistence that cpol is scum.

Could you be wrong?

Definitely. I'm not opposed to it as a second option - like I said, I can see scum!Menno handing a potato to cpol to distract from their own execution.
Here's the thing: if cpol town, Menno scum; if cpol scum, Fenchurch scum. That makes cpol the preferable execution.
I guess in an ideal world Menno flips scum potato vendor and we can be done with this mess, but I doubt it's gonna be that simple and

Okay hear me out but I had a dream last night where Menno flipped orange third party and cpol and Fenchurch were both scum who won quicky after and I'm

not saying

dreams are necessarily a good way to determine alignment but I've been in this situation a weird amount of times before and have learned to trust my subconscious

o_x

Postie hasn’t said anything about it other than the very quick vote/unvote.

nope no I didn't I have already stated I consider Menno possible scum and your attempt to set me up as a mis-execution is duly noted

Perhaps the only thing making me unsure of the ideas I have right now is that there are multiple FoSs on me (outright or implied) with bushit reasons and from my experience with this crowd in FtF that has always been a scum-driven thing

[Postie]

Three-person scumteam with a third party scum possible with this number of players or nah?

[Postie]

Oh, right, yeah, thank you for reminding me.

@Menno

, you should claim.

Uh to be clear when I said not role-related I meant not related to my own role; probably should have been clearer. Didn't want to correct myself immediately after and accidentally imply I read role info into something Menno said and get them killed if town.

[Postie]

Actually I don't think it matters given Menno is almost certainly the execution today and the possibility of Menno being third party

also I think the scumteam is flavoured as a cult because of the whodunnit, but like, without recruits

I saw this and thought that if we got a scum flip and it

was

cult-flavoured, that it would make Menno more likely to be town because I don't think scum would just casually discuss their own flavour like this. And then I thought maybe Menno could have a town role with flavour info on the scum for whatever reason, like they have a role designed to counter cults or something, and were perhaps crumming that for later. (Which seems unlikely now because why wouldn't they have claimed it already and why would they be voting themselves?)
But they could also just be a third party that has information on the other scum in a similar manner, so, that kinda cancels that out.
Maybe I'm overthinking

[Postie]

I thought I answered pretty clearly, so I can't shake the feeling you're only asking these questions to line me up for execution tomorrow

I guess the only thing I can add is that Menno's self-vote feels like scum that has given up. I think they are much more likely scum than town; maybe third party, maybe scum that potato'd you as a distraction (but then why try to get you killed in the first place?)
I'm focusing on you because you seem like incredibly likely scum and I want to make sure everyone is clear on that.

[Postie]

Sorry, RL came up. I'm currently mostly interested in hearing more from Primate right now, and secondarily Menno and Wenna.

I'm

very

concerned how multiple people are backing off Menno all at once. If Menno flips scum, I think that deserves extra close scrutiny. I think the natural response to scum!Menno's hammer would be for their partners to bus them the next day, assuming people aren't townreading them somehow. So people initially strongly scumreading them and voting them and then backing off with minimal reasoning as soon as there's ideas about Menno potentially being town feels extremely suspect to me.

[Postie]

I’m interested too, and I don’t really see you as a buddy with Menno. I find it unlikely that you’d argue against their execution so strongly if you were.

I have never argued against their execution

But I’m still looking at who the buddy is, and I do find your position hard to understand..

You seem to agree that Menno’s sudden quick hammer makes them very likely scum. You also seem to agree that the quick hammer was likely driven by a desire to catch Cpol without a potato and get an extra kill as a result.

I’m not sure then how you are so convinced that whoever subsequently saved Cpol from potato-death, must be scum. If you can see Menno as scum, how do you not conclude that Cpol is town?

Hey so do you see any town potato vendor claims yet

To be clear, I said their lack of explanation was damning. I've seen plenty of quickhammers in my day and I've never seen so little attempt at justification or mea culpa; if Menno is town, how is there no inkling of pro-town thinking behind it that could be expounded upon or if not that, some sense of guilt? Especially in combination with your situation, this feels like a deliberate move; they have nothing good to say, so they say nothing and hope the town overthinks it/gets distracted by other things.

Strongly agree with this

[Postie]

Oh god what if it's a Menno/cpol team and the hammer was a planned play to make cpol look town
But then why not claim town poot vendor
I hate this

[Postie]

Ah crap, I need to set an alarm on my phone for this. Not used to prods this strict.
Catching up / re-reading.

[Postie]

I keep reading and then not being able to immediately respond at the time and losing my train of thought so let's see if I can stream of consciousness a bit
Firstly, I'm entirely unwilling to execute outside of Menno/cpol today,

maybe

Fenchurch but I don't see that wagon happening today
And maybe it's too early in the game for this but I do find that "who would I be the most mad about losing to if they turned out to be scum?" tends to correlate with scum often enough for me for it to be a useful tool to decide who I need to not back off, and I can tell you I will literally never let any of you live it down if either Menno or cpol are scum and just never executed for some reason
Still don't like the sudden wagon on Menno and then sudden backing off Menno; maintain it reads like bus and then opportunistic change of plan
Underwhelming Primate catch up but I'll take it - the logic on Menno feels a lot like "too scummy to be scum", which in my experience is a terrible argument; scum can and will do brazenly anti-town things if they think the risk/payoff calculation works out
Given people don't seem to be joining me on cpol and at least one of these two is definitely scum:

VOTE: McMenno

Wanna maintain pressure and momentum here
Think enough people have unvoted that they can't quickhanmer themselves

@Klick

- you said you'd join me on cpol if no town potato vendor claim. Did you change your mind? If so, why?

@Primate

- who's your biggest scumread? Why aren't you voting anyone?

Edited for term replacement - CDB

[Postie]

Ack I fudged the terminology again
Sorry CDB

<3 - CDB

[Postie]

Hmmm it's true I can't come up with a good explanation for how Menno would be scum alongside my other reads beyond third party, which is bugging me a little because it feels possible but also if I want to continue scumreading cpol/Fen as a team there would have to be two scum teams given Menno's quickhammer was a scumteam-oriented play (sacrifice self to help team)
And that doesn't seem particularly likely?
But I also can't shake the feeling they are simply all scum
Don't make do ISOs I don't wanna do ISOs

[Postie]

I'm inclined to vote cpol just so I don't have to read any more about potatoes.

And yet you have barely spoken about anything else all game
Your posting is like 90% just potatoposting or complaining about potatoposting
Do you have any actual reads you can substantiate

[Postie]

CES feels like a scum counterwagon
Do not like

[Postie]

With Chris in particular, I'm also really liking where his reads have wound up upon reflection - Menno town, you town, CES scum. That's basically the take I had upon a reread. Chris' view on the game is also sufficiently complex and in-depth that I feel like it'd take significantly more effort from him to be scum fabricating the takes he's given up to now.

Strongly disagree
It's not uncommon for scum to coast for a while and then pull a wallpost out of their ass at an opportune moment when it seems like people just need a little push to townread them
That's part of what's so frustrating about no one voting cpol with me - never got a chance to see how cpol responds to pressure
I think cpol's thoughts have been mostly superficial - where are you reading complexity and depth?

[Postie]

[snip]

All of this is exactly why Menno reads scum to me
Knows they won't get away with the move they made, defeatism sets in, hands it over to their scumbuddies to bus them and hopefully end the day early with as little info as possible
The self-vote reads like an attempted/failed quickhammer to me

[Postie]

I think this is a dangerous way of thinking, Postie. You’re forcing the game to have the narrative you want it game to have, rather than the one it does. I implore you to have a re-read of the game from an objective viewpoint. You’re a strong town read for me, but I think your lack of objectiveness here isn’t helping. I’m happy to be questioned on anything from me that you are still unhappy with.

The way you've gone from (self-admittedly) trying to line me up as an execution to now appealing to me like this... the Vibes are very off my dude, even setting aside everything else.
That said... fine fine, I may as well give the game a re-read before the end of the day.

[Postie]

Yes, I very much disliked your posts #128 #129. I didn’t understand why you’d come in so hard for me. And, I’ll be honest, there was a little OMGUS-y ness around being called lazy, a slow learner and then being facepalmed at I brought this up in post #133, asking why you were doing what you were doing, but you never replied.

I think I was frustrated by you arguing that getting yourself executed was preventing a mis-execution, and not an obviously contradictory chain of logic, and then the day ended before I could really think to respond further.
Well, regardless of your alignment, I hope I didn't come across as too harsh. Sorry if I did!

[Postie]

Aw crap that's not a lot of time
I just flew to a foreign country so my brain is a bit scrambled

[Postie]

I don't know how this many people have no strong opinions on anything, but I guess lots of people here haven't played in a long time so maybe that makes it harder to know how to engage. That said, I am wary of letting scum hide in the active lurkers.

[Postie]

I think I was frustrated by you arguing that getting yourself executed was preventing a mis-execution, and not an obviously contradictory chain of logic

Also really struggling with how a townie runs down this thought process
Like I know you've done the same thing as town in FtF mafia and that's why I ignored it at the time, but reading it back over I'm not sure the thought processes were the same both times and the logic behind your stated reasoning bugs me in a way I can't quite articulate

Can you try and explain what you were thinking again when you gave away your potato?

[Postie]

[snip]

Okay admittedly that's a very towny answer
Hmmm
Relatedly, I think the my main hangup right now (asides from you having been given a potato) is that when you do give long and detailed answers, they seem to come at very opportune moments
Don't want to elaborate any further than that and tell you how you should play to convince me you're town because uhhh yeah

Menno is a really poor vote, there's little substantiating it other than 'the quickhammer wasn't good'

And the immediate reaction today.

Is there more substantiating the CES vote? Tried reading through your reasoning and can't really follow it, and the parts I can follow I disagree with. Can you bullet point me your strongest reasons? I feel like the reasons to scumread Menno might not be numerous, but they are very strong, and I can't say the same for CES right now so it feels like a shot in the dark to me.

[Postie]

@cpol

- Why did you hammer without intent, given Poro had expressed they were still catching up?

[Postie]

If the night kill think that Klick looked the most town then they probably think that CES looks the most scummy.

Gonna have to walk me through that one
And why it doesn't lead you to a CES scumread

[Postie]

I do think CES is more likely to be scum given the Menno flip, but only because Menno would have been an easy execution for scum to jump on and have no reason to counterwagon, and therefore CES wagon is more likely to be full of town. But that doesn't mean town correctly identified scum, just that they're more likely to by virtue of not being scum themselves.

VOTE: CES

@CES

- What's your read on the people scumreading you?

I wrongly assumed at this point that Menno was actually scum, and this was some kind of play to implicate me or something.

Yeah no I thought Menno was doing some kind of WIFOM too before I read the flip

[Postie]

Claim seems NAI to me, same for the choice of consuls
Though if either Primate or CES flips scum that maybe raises the likelihood the other one is slightly? Idk

I definitely wasn't expecting that nightkill.

Why? Were you scumreading Klick?

So all in all enough for me to move away from CES today, but not enough to state that this is a safe town claim.

???
As far as I can tell you just called everything NAI - where's the "enough" for moving away part?

[Postie]

I'm also stretching here, but 'The People Who Saw Us Dressed As Romans' is flavour that isn't directly related to the actual scummers who went to the meet, unlike Menno's and mine. It's an outside group that interacted with us, which could (tenuously) imply scum/3rd party.

I would expect scum to have mod provided fakeclaims in a game like this, so seems like a pointless line of enquiry.
Actually, just to be thorough: does anyone who played in previous invitationals know if fakeclaims were provided? I tried looking through past modded games via CDB's wiki but couldn't find any useful info that way.

[Postie]

Appreciate the catch up, Poro.
Still disagree about the potato stuff, but ehhh I guess I'll avoid arguing about it for now for the sake of not getting us stuck in that discussion again.

Klick is an odd nk as I would have been looking strongly at him today

Explain please?

In terms of my reads, since the Fen/Postie discussion Fen did something that made me go "oh, she is definitely town" and whilst I haven't based my reads completely on that it has influenced things somewhat.

So, what was that? Is there a reason you're not stating it outright?

And yeah I have a huge problem with tunneling when I'm town, which is why I've slightly eased up on cpol while I sort through my thoughts there in light of some town pings. But I also have a problem with going from convinced someone is scum to becoming convinced they're town, and that has fucked me over a few times with scum players, so I'm at like peak paranoia with cpol right now. o_e

Uhh I'll need people to sell me on a massclaim cause I'm not great with Set Up Strategy TM

@CES

-

What are your reads

I can see maybe a single townread in your ISO from the alive players? What are your reads on the people scumreading you? Do you have any scumreads? Give me

something

[Postie]

I am

Baby Izzy, Non-Ambulating Jailkeeper

Basically, I'm a Jailkeeper that can only target within one thingy of my previous target on the list of living players (top and bottom of the list are considered next to each other)

I think even if I just claim my first target, scum can probably work out who my next potential targets are for this night, so I don't really want to claim who I've targeted so far. Though if there's a particularly compelling reason to do so I haven't considered, I could be convinced.
I

can

tell you that I don't believe I stopped a kill on night 1, in case there's any confusion on that considering the flavour with the stink bug card on the night 1 deaths.

[Postie]

Surely you can't have expected a town potato vendor to suddenly come forward now, can you?

An finally… If I had to guess I’d say that Primate is the potato vender, as the flavour kind of fits - “mandarin covered in Sellotape”, could be a replacement scum potato!

?

There's not much meaning to be got out of the massclaim tbh except for the fact it basically confirms postie.

??

[Postie]

I can't follow your train of thought at all, but uh, I guess if someone has an undisclosed protective role they should be on me tonight.

I don't like how many null or scum reads I have atm so ISO time.

[Postie]

Okay Primate help me out

My townreads atm are Menno and Fenchurch.

Poro is scummy.

Don't like the poro/ces grouping.

@Primate

- who's your biggest scumread? Why aren't you voting anyone?

Don't know, and I'm bad at mafia. Probably Poro or Menno.

Have any of these reads changed
Why or why not
(Excluding Menno obviously)
Do you have an explanation on your Poro read? Or at least posts you didn't like you can link?

Are you up for a mass claim

Yep. I actively think we should do it.

What was your thinking here?

[Postie]

I'm implying that I could see Primate is a scum potato vender, very loosely based off flavour.

I'm just confused how you went from calling the potato vendor town to calling it scum in the same post
Are you saying you potentially see it as both? Schroedinger's potato vendor?

[Postie]

I keep thinking the extra potato is maybe just some inventor thing I should try to ignore and then cpol comes out with their weirdest shit about it

[Postie]

Ah, gotcha.

@CDB

- Can we get another vote count?

[Postie]

Mrrp catching up

@Posite

Please can I have a sense check from you on what I am thinking?

Which part? CES? I don't agree with your reasoning, but I scumread CES nonetheless cause I don't think he's responded adequately to the pressure on him so far. Could be a personality thing, but his posting just feels so... robotic? Gonna focus my attention there now I think

Sell me on Nexus town?

P-Edit: Hmmm

[Postie]

I can list the posts that make me think Nexus is town,

Do it

[Postie]

Poro's explanation for feeling disengaged feels genuine but idk that that's AI
Maybe mild townlean from the level of detail in terms of the thought process and possibilities considered? The back-and-forthing feels organic

Cpol's 466, seems a lot of effort to vote for CES. That could have been summarised to a couple of lines. I don't mean to be rude, but it feels more justifying it than explanatory.

Agree, and I think also somewhat what I felt when I read cpol's original CES case

Reading back on your theory about Fen and cpol, given the facts that we know now, Im seeing more weight behind your theory. I am wondering despite my assertions earlier in this post that cpol is town, that scum cpol would pass the potato to scumfenchurch knowing that it would likely be passed back but that she would be able to provide one if something went wrong. Which when town menno hammered, it did go wrong.

Is this still a possibility in your mind? Or have I missed something?

Yeah, it is, but I've also had a fair amount of town pings from cpol at this point, so I think I'm leaning town overall? There's some stuff I think would be out of cpol's scumrange, albeit I have never seen scum!cpol in a forum format. But I'm also worried cpol has been and is trying to buddy me now, which keeps making me go back and forth a bit. I don't see cpol getting executed today so I feel like I kinda have to just try to work with an assumed town!cpol for now too. Ergh.
Hope that made some kind of sense

P-Edit: oh yeah sure go for it

[Postie]

I feel like the main reason I'm on the chopping block Today is just made-up narratives about the Mennowagon. It sure is hard to imagine what sort of motive scum might have had to help create this type of situation.

Create what type of situation? Do you think the Menno wagon was all town?

I feel and otherwise I'll probably feel forced to post some deep breakdown of why Wenna's behaviour is scummy that no one will appreciate but will make me feel better after the game.

Don't burn yourself out obviously if you have other obligations but I would definitely like to see this given I'm scumreading you and have no read on Wenna

[Postie]

Cpol, this is entirely wrong, please unvote.

We're at even numbers with a jailkeeper. No way scum give up multiple members for a quickexecution here. If they have the numbers to finish me off, they just talk themselves into it.

And that's not even taking into account that they have barely had time to arrange a quickexecution nor that Nexus and Wenna could easily both be scum.

BIG scum ping here
Assuming the asking cpol to unvote is about preventing a quickhammer, CES stating there's no way there'd be a quickhammer in the next post would be nonsensical
Assuming it isn't about preventing a quickhammer, jumping immediately into explaining why you're not going to be quickhammered without telling people to unvote just in case you get quickhammered is a very odd response for town - even if there's only a 1% chance of quickhammer, the immediate focus should be on getting people to unvote to make sure it doesn't happen
Either way, the train of thought doesn't make sense to me from a town PoV

@CDB

- Do we know if scum have daytalk, or is it a mystery?

[Postie]

Oh, right. Nevermind on that one then.

In fact
UNVOTE:
Just in case scum haven't been able to co-ordinator so far

[Postie]

(personally I assume they don't)

Why?

[Postie]

I'm like 70% sure Primate is town rn fwiw
He's had a bunch of easy opportunities to expand on / flesh out certain thoughts (like calling me confirmed) that would have gotten him some potential towncred with little effort, but didn't, which strikes me as towny stubbornness

Also curious about no execution - from what I remember that's usually the optimal play for Mislim-or-Lose situations? But I can't tell if that's the current situation or not

[Postie]

VOTE: CES

Safe enough for me to revote then

@CES

- What do you make of the counterwagons to yours? Do you think either are scum-driven?

[Postie]

Given the current situation, how about we co-ordinate votes with "Intent to vote [player]"? So we can keep track of who is willing to move where, and then once we've got a majority for someone those votes can all move over and hammer near deadline

[Postie]

I also still want to know what a blackmailer does please! I've googled but can only find Town of Salem stuff, and that implies it blocks secret communications??

Given that Bluffing and Non-Ambulating are also not found in the mafia wiki, I think they're all roles made specifically for this game
I guess figuring out what they do is part of the

torture

fun

Obviously no idea what a jailkeeper is, sorry. Maybe that's correct about preventing the other team/s communicating?

Blackmailer, you mean? Otherwise: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

[Postie]

@Poro

- Do you think a No Execution would go any other way than me being nightkilled, or possibly me stopping a kill and us being back in the same place tomorrow (albeit with slightly more info)? What advantages are you seeing here?

[Postie]

My townreads rn are cpol, Poro, and Primate, so if I can find another towny to throw in there I might feel okay voting Fen too.
CES remains my preference since the very sudden very strong commitment to a Wenna scumread once he was put on the chopping block feels out of character given his behaviour the rest of the game. Guess it could be town going "well if I'm executed we lose, so anything else is better" and exaggerating their scumread as a result, but I think that kind of floundering is more likely to come from scum.

[Postie]

UNVOTE:

[Postie]

I'm around enough that I can revote closer to deadline, not sure how I feel about that vote for now so trying to be safe

Fen, weren't you townreading CES? You realise we may lose if we screw up this execution, right?

[Postie]

What gave you the impression I was townreading Wenna?

[Postie]

Your sudden read/vote switch is giving me the heebie jeebies :(

Need another perspective someone else pls gimme your thoughts

[Postie]

I will be around near deadline
Andy where are you

[Postie]

Well, I sure hope Fen is scum cause if not I assume a quickhammer is incoming

[Postie]

Yeah, CES or Fen
Don't think I'd go anywhere else
Not sure which I prefer atm because I'm still mulling over Fen's vote switch

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Btw in case I die, I've been wondering if 576 might've been some last minute distancing/bussing since at that point it seemed more clear it would be CES or Fen, so please don't use that as a reason to write off CES/Fen as a team if Fen flips scum

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Phew
We got super lucky with getting the kills and with how day 1 went down

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*the right nightkills
Invention stuff could have made things fucky wucky

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In actuality, I didn't even think about the utility of having the traitor quickhammer so we could avoid hitting them with the kill. I was just worried that the dead gladiator Titus flavour might lend itself to Supersaint or Vengeful lol.

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Apologies for losing heart on Day 3 and my other misplays.

I don't think you really misplayed much; there's a lot you couldn't have reasonably predicted. And maybe it's my bias as someone who was looking at the game from the informed minority perspective, but I thought you looked super town by day 3 and was surprised that town ended up wagoning you.