Micro 1053: DmangwGBiaf [game over]

[Save The Dragons]

i made it pretty clear i thought it was rean and norwee yesterday, i'd be shocked if both were town

And we don’t kill you if it’s us because?

You feel cornered.

i didn't say you both were scum i said i'd be shocked if both of you were town, meaning i think at least 1 of you is scum

i wouldn't be surprised if you thought i didn't have enough clout

i also wouldn't be surprised if you thought i was going to get limmed today potentially for voting yeet when i did and because koopa and aristeia were coming after me, all you would need if you're the scum team is to wait and see if NK15 or I get more heat and go with that one.

how do i feel cornered? not really, that's pretty shady of you without actually saying anything interesting

[Aristeia]

I think mass claiming makes a lot of sense

[Aristeia]

i am fairly sure the only reason i am alive is because scum want me to tunnel std

[Aristeia]

koba is a very strange kill to me

[Aristeia]

we should not be voting until after mass claim imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I would also be good with a massclaim

[Datisi]

vote count 2.01

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-09 21:15:00).

yeet

Not Known 15 [2]:

Instructor Rean, Dwlee99

Instructor Rean [1]:

Save The Dragons

not voting [4]:

Not Known 15, Aristeia, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald

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[Aristeia]

Can any of the people against Mass Claim explain why they are against Mass Claim btw?

I think it makes sense to do it now because if we miss here we will be at Elo tomm and claims are not nearly as good when we have no room for error

having 2 dead VTs should reduce scum claim space

[Gamma Emerald]

I want Rean and Dwlee in the first 3 or 4 claims btw

[Save The Dragons]

I mean maybe it's okay to do

[Instructor Rean]

Can any of the people against Mass Claim explain why they are against Mass Claim btw?

I think it makes sense to do it now because if we miss here we will be at Elo tomm and claims are not nearly as good when we have no room for error

having 2 dead VTs should reduce scum claim space

I am against it for three reasons:

1) It means that any town PRs that exist (if any) then will likely die overnight. Since nothing seems to have been a guilty/inno would have been mentioned then they’d die.

2) I think I already know who the PR(s) are so then it doesn’t help reads.

3) Mass claim doesn’t narrow claim space for any scum worth their weight in salt.

Mass claim is IIOA and gives scum a lot of places to hide.

What does analysis tell you?

[Aristeia]

Well it depends.

If we have 2 claimed TPRs - they are probably both town and we are playing 2 scum in 5 VT claims. We lose a TPR at night but finding 2 scum in 5 is significantly easier imo. [2 in 4 if we have a TPR with an inno]

If there's a scum fake claim - we'd be at 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 - in that case scum can't really afford to shoot TPR at night without narrowing their own POE.

[Instructor Rean]

And if we have only one? Or a player lies? You’re assuming everyone is telling the truth.

and even if we go with that PoE you’re assuming the gamestate is good.

Considering multiple players want my claim immediately I know the gamestate is bad.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm totally cool with rean claiming

[Aristeia]

And if we have only one? Or a player lies? You’re assuming everyone is telling the truth.

we should not have only one TPR

town players should not lie.

[Aristeia]

what is the POE you want btw?

[Instructor Rean]

And if we have only one? Or a player lies? You’re assuming everyone is telling the truth.

we should not have only one TPR

town players should not lie.

Yes and players always play optimally /sarcasm

The PoE I want is one built on play not likely flawed mechanics.

[Aristeia]

what is your POE?

[Aristeia]

I don't expect anyone at the table to fakeclaim as a townside player because that would be silly

[Instructor Rean]

what is your POE?

Everyone right now. The game is being ridiculous right now.

[Instructor Rean]

I don't expect anyone at the table to fakeclaim as a townside player because that would be silly

Yet it happens more often than you might think.

[Aristeia]

what is your POE?

Everyone right now. The game is being ridiculous right now.

if your POE is everyone then clearly mass claim would help narrow down your POE

[Instructor Rean]

what is your POE?

Everyone right now. The game is being ridiculous right now.

if your POE is everyone then clearly mass claim would help narrow down your POE

No. It won’t.

It will only reveal who dies (or a PoE of who dies) via nightkill to me or tells me that I am already going to eat a bullet. It’s useless.

[Instructor Rean]

The pressure is here because I have been improving as town. Mass claim here is tantamount to a game throw.

[Instructor Rean]

Why are you trying to get me to be so antitown?