In post 514, Coral wrote:yes i gathered that already, I was hoping for more, because that isn't really very convincing to me. is there anything specific you can point to in her posts that you think feels that way, or is it more of a general vibe?
In post 1261, Coral wrote:Can you go into that a little more? I think if we can be confident on Datisi being town then this game becomes much easier.
these are the posts I'm thinking of
I feel like that shows my mindset clearly of wanting to push you to expand on your reasoning, not disregard it. if I were scum who wanted to shut down your answer then I wouldn't be trying to get you to talk more about why you find people towny
In post 1471, scamper wrote:i guess i should say one of my issues with you this game in particular you have asked me why i townread someone and went "sorry, tats not convincing" and it times to me it felt like scum false curiosity, where you ask a question about someones townread knowing you are always going to shoot it down, because you need to ml townies to win and so you arent *really* interested. that is kind of how i have felt about you this game. again this isnt really anything you can respond to fairly, and im not expecting or asking you to. im laying out the thought i had, to try to be more transparent.
If I'm remembering those interactions correctly (I think it happened twice), from my perspective you gave a little one or two sentence summary of reasons that you had already stated, when the point of me asking was that I had already read your previous reasoning and I wanted to hear more. So me responding with "that's not convincing" wasn't intended to shoot you down, it was intended to prod you to go more in depth.
yeah again this answer doesnt really move the needle alignment wise at all, because you can either have really not believed what i was saying or you can be making that up and both are equally likely and make sense
but like i said i dont need you to answer for this
In post 514, Coral wrote:yes i gathered that already, I was hoping for more, because that isn't really very convincing to me. is there anything specific you can point to in her posts that you think feels that way, or is it more of a general vibe?
In post 1261, Coral wrote:Can you go into that a little more? I think if we can be confident on Datisi being town then this game becomes much easier.
these are the posts I'm thinking of
I feel like that shows my mindset clearly of wanting to push you to expand on your reasoning, not disregard it. if I were scum who wanted to shut down your answer then I wouldn't be trying to get you to talk more about why you find people towny
In post 1472, Coral wrote:he has also read the hood and seen that since night 1 even, I was considering who was more likely to be scum between you two, and that for the majority of the game i was leaning towards that being datisi
okay, i guess i should ask: were you worried coming into the start of today that i was town who would continue tunneling you?
@ the snap voting thing, okay, I understand. my point was just that, even though we all knew that you weren't actually going to do that, it did make it clear that you were at least considering voting datisi, and scumtisi would not be able to coast through elo by waiting for you to vote me
prior to you making that post I thought that you would almost certainly be voting me here. I expect that datisi would have guessed similarly. after you making that post, I didn't think that you were instant voting datisi, but my view of your position was still shifted because it seemed like you were at least open to considering both options
In post 514, Coral wrote:yes i gathered that already, I was hoping for more, because that isn't really very convincing to me. is there anything specific you can point to in her posts that you think feels that way, or is it more of a general vibe?
In post 1261, Coral wrote:Can you go into that a little more? I think if we can be confident on Datisi being town then this game becomes much easier.
these are the posts I'm thinking of
I feel like that shows my mindset clearly of wanting to push you to expand on your reasoning, not disregard it. if I were scum who wanted to shut down your answer then I wouldn't be trying to get you to talk more about why you find people towny
i think that's a pretty basic move tbh
I agree, I don't think it would be hard to do what I did if I were scum. I was trying to refute your characterization you had of it in 1471. I don't think that my posts match with the motivations/perspective that you laid out in that post
it was less that i was open to considering both options and more that if i couldn't get the rest of the game to see you as scum even tho it seemed so clear to me i was content to hand the game to you
In post 514, Coral wrote:yes i gathered that already, I was hoping for more, because that isn't really very convincing to me. is there anything specific you can point to in her posts that you think feels that way, or is it more of a general vibe?
In post 1261, Coral wrote:Can you go into that a little more? I think if we can be confident on Datisi being town then this game becomes much easier.
these are the posts I'm thinking of
I feel like that shows my mindset clearly of wanting to push you to expand on your reasoning, not disregard it. if I were scum who wanted to shut down your answer then I wouldn't be trying to get you to talk more about why you find people towny
i think that's a pretty basic move tbh
I agree, I don't think it would be hard to do what I did if I were scum. I was trying to refute your characterization you had of it in 1471. I don't think that my posts match with the motivations/perspective that you laid out in that post
i mean it's really not easy for me to tell either way...but i at least accept your explanation
In post 1472, Coral wrote:he has also read the hood and seen that since night 1 even, I was considering who was more likely to be scum between you two, and that for the majority of the game i was leaning towards that being datisi
okay, i guess i should ask: were you worried coming into the start of today that i was town who would continue tunneling you?
At the start of the day I was feeling pretty convinced you were scum, actually. I expected that if you're town then you would give things a fair evaluation and wouldn't hard tunnel, although I would still guess that you'd likely in the end still come back to voting me.
I've softened on my stance somewhat, but my reread of day 1 overnight had me strongly leaning towards you, and I still want to dive into that a bit
but my actual mindset at the start of the day was: i was right, i'm annoyed cuz no one listened to me, i expect both of you to turn against me cuz whoever was scum was very much setting up for that pivot yesterday, i just want someone to vote me b/c i hate being the one to decide in this situation
but i will say regardless of whatever my words might seem like they're implying i'm rereading and re-evaluating with an open mind
like i don't think you know how it feels to just have an entire game collectively shut down every read you have and ignore you and treat you like you're not worth anything and then when it's down to elo the last townie turns against you and calls you scum for not doing enoufgh when no one ever cared about a single thing you said the entire game
like the entire game was just working on a project to ignore me
in other news i reread datisi's self-towncase in the hood and i kind of dislike it now but that may be because you asked him specifically how he'd have approached day 1 as scum o he had to answer in hypothetical terms, which isnt really helpful
In post 1487, scamper wrote:in other news i reread datisi's self-towncase in the hood and i kind of dislike it now but that may be because you asked him specifically how he'd have approached day 1 as scum o
he had to answer in hypothetical terms, which isnt really helpful
i don't see how the bolded follows from the first part or why you dislike it?
(i will get to other stuff soon as i just got home)
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 1486, scamper wrote:like i don't think you know how it feels to just have an entire game collectively shut down every read you have and ignore you and treat you like you're not worth anything and then when it's down to elo the last townie turns against you and calls you scum for not doing enoufgh when no one ever cared about a single thing you said the entire game
like the entire game was just working on a project to ignore me
if that was your perception of things, then I'm sorry about that. I know that games where a big chunk of the game is in a hood and you're not can be very frustrating.
from my perspective, this whole game I've been interested in your reads and that's why I've kept coming back to asking you to expand on your reasoning, because if you're town, I highly value your reads and abilities and I want to listen to them
you consistently seemed reticent about expanding on them when asked. I felt like there is possible scum motivation for you to not give details on why meg's play was town.
I don't think that anyone is calling you scum for not doing enough. If you're scum it's because of what you did choose to do and what your priorities were.
did you find any posts that were town!indicative for me, tho
@scsmper
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 1487, scamper wrote:in other news i reread datisi's self-towncase in the hood and i kind of dislike it now but that may be because you asked him specifically how he'd have approached day 1 as scum o
he had to answer in hypothetical terms, which isnt really helpful
i don't see how the bolded follows from the first part or why you dislike it?
(i will get to other stuff soon as i just got home)
the point is it is mostly you just say you wouldn't do this or that as scum and i don't think such arguments are really any good
however: there was no real other way you could respond to that post because coral was asking you what you wouldn't do as scum, so of course that is what you are going to be talking about
In post 1490, Coral wrote:you consistently seemed reticent about expanding on them when asked. I felt like there is possible scum motivation for you to not give details on why meg's play was town.
I don't think that anyone is calling you scum for not doing enough. If you're scum it's because of what you did choose to do and what your priorities were.
okay. i think thats because in general i have a really hard time getting my thoughts across to people and when i offer explanations they usually say they dont care so i get frustrated and give up. i think i have an ?easier? time explaining things as scum because again i know the answers and can just tell people something that makes sense to them. i am not reticent to expand and i dont have a problem with being able to make things up as scum, i just have really simple explanations for why i think most things
peronally, thinking i let meg go over there as scum by weakly defending them is not giving credit to my play as scum. i think in that instance i fight tooth and nail to keep meg alive as scum because at that moment, meg is my victory condition. i would want meg in elo knowing 1. meg is unlikely to vote for me 2. if meg does vote me i can probably win that 1v1 given that everyone else was scumreading meg more than me. this is similar to how i played the mini normal as scum: i was sort of pushing marci, but i realized that keeping her alive meant that she was very likely to be the one voted out in ELO (my partner actually mentioned this) so i pivoted to defending her that day. i would have done that here as scum given that you/me/dats is obviously a lot moe unfavorable to me than me/dats/meg would be (or me/you/meg in some world where i pivoted to pushing datisi)
In post 1492, scamper wrote:the point is it is mostly you just say you wouldn't do this or that as scum and i don't think such arguments are really any good
why do you think that argument from me isn't good, but you keep making such arguments yourself?
(this isn't meant to be a shitty gotcha, i'm genuinely curious)
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
you can argue of course that scum don't always play optimally anf i think that's fair. i would just say my play is obviously not ideal as either alignment but attributing scum motives to play you deem non-ideal is a logical fallacy
as i just got home)