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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:43 am

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In post 147, Nona1510 wrote:
In post 136, Una wrote:Maybe I'm picking up what Junko is and using diff words
And how can I tell that is real and not shade because I especially think your take on 126 makes absolutely no sense to me?
I would unvote but this really bothers me because I don’t understand how you read 126 as iioa?

So maybe explain it better?
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:02 am

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iioa
Something irrespective of alignment?
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:12 am

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In post 151, Elements wrote:iioa
Something irrespective of alignment?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... f_Analysis

Information instead of analysis

I don’t see how that is an accurate description of any of my posting but especially 126.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:15 am

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Both scum and town would clarify a point. Miscommunication benefits every alignment except maybe jester.
So it's like a post pointing out someone is nice and helpful to clear comms but not actually commenting on her alignment. Or only doing so by acknowledging niceness and logic jumping to townness
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:15 am

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In post 66, Elements wrote:not important to the game, just worldbuilding with Moon
In post 28, Moonview wrote:
In post 26, Elements wrote:
In post 21, Moonview wrote:And yeah it's a common belief that there are no train stations in Antarctica but I think that's just what Aisa wants us to believe.
Are you saying there's some sort of conspiracy theory?
Absolutely. Trust no one.
I'm thinking Antarctica is some sort of industrial wasteland. that's why it seems so empty and barren but in actual fact there are many many train stations hidden under the ice.
Mayhaps it used to be on the equator but some catastrophy hit and resulted in and earth being rotated 90 degrees on its axis so now it's at the pole. and Aisa is secretly a time travelling being and knows all this.
I like this! I think that it makes more sense if instread of a catastrophe happening, the civilisation that reached industrial technology was just super ancient. So it can be explained that Antarctica used to be habitable, and a civilisation had emerged there that utilised rail travel, but got wiped out, like what happened to the civilisation in the Indus Valley.

Aisa would have to be a time traveller yeah. Maybe they were just on the verge of time travel technology and Aisa was a scientist researching it who escaped disaster by fleeing into today's world.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:16 am

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Tbf I'm not sure it's IioA it kinda depends on mens rea and what was meant to be said but I think it's scummy however it would be classified
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:20 am

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In post 128, Una wrote:126 isn't even a level 0 read it's just like actual iioa lol
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:22 am

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In post 152, Nona1510 wrote:
In post 151, Elements wrote:iioa
Something irrespective of alignment?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... f_Analysis

Information instead of analysis

I don’t see how that is an accurate description of any of my posting but especially 126.
"Look at me, I'm so town!" (+1.0)
It's the so-called LAMIST tell and it's still relevant enough to have its own acronym! Newbscum usually are very concerned with 'looking good' to avoid falling under suspicion, but don't know how to fake-scumhunt.
Instead, they will do things like pushing the lurkers to contribute, trying to "resuscitate" them by voting them, asking for reads on themselves, talking a lot about the game itself (this is called IIoA),
claiming they are doing anything in their power to get information.
Yet another thing I’m clearly not doing.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:25 am

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In post 153, Una wrote:Both scum and town would clarify a point. Miscommunication benefits every alignment except maybe jester.
So it's like a post pointing out someone is nice and helpful to clear comms but not actually commenting on her alignment. Or only doing so by acknowledging niceness and logic jumping to townness
That’s not at all what I did. I liked that she was asking Elements to explain his different reads. I didn’t suggest that what she was doing was either “nice” or “helpful”.

I liked that she tried to clarify the difference.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:27 am

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Doesn't seem like much has happened since I was here.

I think Una is wrong about Nona - her posts seem fine and I don't see the iioa at all. I think I would call both una and nona >rand town right now. Elements is also fine.

Skeptical of Aisa's - it seems like she's totally misrepresenting what Elements said here. I'd like her to clarify her thought process behind the question.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:18 am

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In post 136, Una wrote:Maybe I'm picking up what Junko is and using diff words
my english is not good enoush to understand what's going on with me in this post
In post 137, Dannflor wrote:UNVOTE:
dann is town
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:31 am

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Spoiler: Context
In post 95, Aisa wrote:
In post 93, Elements wrote:I like Pavowski for town
I want to tr nona but those three posts could easily be from scum
And Pavowski's grand total of eight posts could not come from scum?
In post 117, Aisa wrote:
In post 98, Pavowski wrote:
In post 95, Aisa wrote:
In post 93, Elements wrote:I like Pavowski for town
I want to tr nona but those three posts could easily be from scum
And Pavowski's grand total of eight posts could not come from scum?
It is so weird to shade somebody for only having 8 posts at this point in the game. What are we, like, sixteen hours in?

I mean there would be more but nobody was around to meme with last night

It's ok, I'll prove to you that I'm town soon enough

Unless you know it already

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It came out prickly, but the intention was to ask Elements about the apparent inconsistency in her reads, not to shade you. I have no problem with your posting so far.
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In post 109, innocentvillager wrote:Ok Elements I guess I’ll just ask you directly. I remember you as mostly a lurker/low content slot why does it feel like you’re extra engaged this game so far
I took a hiatus for a couple of years, now I'm back with energy. Still excited for more mafia after the game that ended that Aisa was in and be got bamboozled
This is, in fact, my working theory about you so far.

Also same, except I'm back with an extra dose of cynicism and paranoia. Maybe I can be the biggest downer and joy killer in this game? :cool:

In post 159, Moonview wrote:Doesn't seem like much has happened since I was here.

I think Una is wrong about Nona - her posts seem fine and I don't see the iioa at all. I think I would call both una and nona >rand town right now. Elements is also fine.

Skeptical of Aisa's - it seems like she's totally misrepresenting what Elements said here. I'd like her to clarify her thought process behind the question.
Buckle up :lol:

I wasn't trying to imply that Pavowski's post count mattered in an important way, if that's what you were implying. The post came out worded a bit weirdly.

I noticed what seemed like a possible inconsistency: if you are going to reserve judgment on Nona, why not also reserve judgment on Pavowski, whose posts were not that much less fakeable?

I think I was aware that Elements could have had genuine reasons for those reads. Pavowski and Nona seem to have different characters and it was totally possible that Elements had seen *something* in Pavowski's posting. However, I'm not going to just sit and be like "oh hmm I guess this isn't that scummy after all, maybe there is no need to question it"? The post was there and I decided to ask a question about it.

I also have fun asking questions that are slightly misleadingly worded sometimes - see e.g. post 16 which is another post that people have interpreted as a scumread when it is not. It amuses me and makes slightly less than 100% transparent what I'm thinking when I question someone, which I think can be a good thing?

What does
skeptical
mean here? What are you skeptical of?
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:35 am

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Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there :?:
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:38 am

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In post 162, JunkoChan wrote:Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there :?:
Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:41 am

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In post 163, Aisa wrote:
In post 162, JunkoChan wrote:Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there :?:
Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?
if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:43 am

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In post 160, JunkoChan wrote:dann is town
why would you say this
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:43 am

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I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:43 am

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@mod V/LA until Sunday night
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:44 am

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In post 165, Dannflor wrote:
In post 160, JunkoChan wrote:dann is town
why would you say this
I mean, am I wrong? let me know, that would make my life much easier
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:45 am

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I told you I'm scum with Una!!

no I just want you to explain because I haven't done anything this game
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:46 am

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In post 169, Dannflor wrote:I told you I'm scum with Una!!

no I just want you to explain because I haven't done anything this game
I already explained what came to mind, I think you are smart enough to come to the same conclusion, if you were scum, you wait, tell the other person to hammer, and boom we are on yeetlo

playing longcon is suboptimal as scum
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:47 am

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unless both scum members were already on the wagon, which I think I should note for later
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:56 am

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In post 166, JunkoChan wrote:I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins
anyway, since this was the case, this might not mean nothing, or it might mean everything
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:57 am

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In post 172, JunkoChan wrote:
In post 166, JunkoChan wrote:I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins
anyway, since this was the case, this might not mean nothing, or it might mean everything
this might mean nothing*
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:01 am

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In post 164, JunkoChan wrote:
In post 163, Aisa wrote:
In post 162, JunkoChan wrote:Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there :?:
Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?
if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early
Huh, I actually hadn't considered that but yes, that's something scum can do.

So
only put people at E-1 if you're ok with them dying
. I will side-eye you if you do it too early :evil:
In post 162, JunkoChan wrote:Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there :?:
I finally see what you mean. (We're considering a hypothetical in which Una was at E-1 for longer than 10 minutes.) You mean the possibilities are
> 0-1 scum on Una's wagon - in which case, why did it not get hammered?
> 2 scum on Una's wagon - in which case, Una is town.

The issue is you're not accounting for the fact Una's wagon could have failed to get hammered
because she is scum
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