House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[GuiltyLion]

^ take note of Junkochan still voting alongside "high chance of scum VPB/GL" on our wagon of choice

[unwnd]

My reasons for liking GL/VPB are admittingly shallow. They were both players that rounded out my own readslist after I got done with catch-up. VPB was especially someone who I looked at first glance and said to myself 'he's fine.' That being said, your own perspective seems more inquisitive. Is datisi in his town meta due to his tone? I know I got on him for nitpicking, but I do have a lot of them myself.

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You know, it's just a bit redundant of me. I spend a lot of time trying to mend my thoughts together. I cannot

shake

the feeling I get from datisi's posts. Words are quantified to try and ascribe meaning. I've said things such as 'prepared speech' or 'process' yadda yadda. While this isn't a coined phrase, I feel like I there is this certain attribution in his posts that just..nags at me.

I'm going to call this something like the 'hmmm' tell.

What is exactly a 'hmmm' tell? It's when you create dialogue transcribed from thought that only serves as a stopgap. These stopgaps are (almost always) for appearance only.

Example:

Player B:
"But would player A do this?

Hmmm'"

This is an example of a stopgap. A lot of players will see a post like this and may interpret this as something Player A is really thinking about. I mean, how couldn't he? His dialogue of 'hmm' indicates this. Therefore this must be a genuine pause of thought.

However, I have found close to the exact opposite. I am

especially

cognizant of this approach because I use the fuck out of it as scum. I will make an observation and add a stopgap in thought to make myself appear a certain way. Town are often looking for inconsistencies, but you can

buy yourself more time doing this.

It is actual psychology that people will try and cut corners. This is cutting corners by avoiding confrontation as a whole. It helps scum because if you can continue to create "meaningful" dialogue that looks good you will never have to answer for anything. You can keep going undeterred so long as people

believe

what you're saying is true. Now look at datisi's posts again and see how many times he has added thought dialogue into them. You can break this down to (conversational) filler. He continues to stall between posts so he has more time to make something up believable.

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I hear the ghost of Cabd laughing at me for this yomi layer read

[unwnd]

If people don't wanna consider this though I'm down to just kill Drapion or Enchant you almost always flip a scum there

[GuiltyLion]

I'm down for Enchant as well

[unwnd]

VOTE: Enchant

Counterwagon

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Enchant

[GuiltyLion]

Enchant is transparently and self-evidently in his town meta. The vibes he is producing but with just the right mixture of subtle reads are promising for him being town.

also bookmark this one for after the flip

[unwnd]

GL could you summarize your concerns of Junko

When I ISO'd you, a big thing I was latching onto is that yeah you're not sure about Junko but then make posts like 'MASTINA AND JUNKO ARE SCUM TOGETHER' which made me ????

[Enchant]

You certainly overuse fact that you don't need provide anything to push me.

If you want to throw game further okay, it's not like you ever listen to me.

[GuiltyLion]

concerns of Junko, very abridged version:

- I don't like the way her wagon formed in direct response to the VPB justice wagon. A bunch of nully/scummy slots came out of nowhere to give it a bunch of momentum and the timing of it in the gamestate feels like scum pushed for it
- Mastina and Junko are both scumreading each other and I find it implausible in both directions. Mastina had the whole thing where she insisted scum pushed

both

VPB and Junko wagons even though that makes no sense. Then she found a convenient reason to degrade her scumread on Junko because she doesn't look partnered with VPB. Junko paid some lip service to scum!mastina idea but it kinda gave me a vibe of being forced, there's no real urgency to sell other people on that read and it doesn't seem to have integrated into the rest of her reads at this moment (see next point)
- The big thing for me at the moment is Junko's reaction in the PT when I asked TSQ not to put her on the council. Pretty much instantly she started pushing back at me, saying she thinks I'm too good of a town player to suspect her or suspect her wagon, saying that VPB and I have a "high chance" of being scum together (which felt pretty out of the blue to me since I don't remember her scumreading me prior to that, and she even +1'd a point I made about the Dwlee wagon), Datisi and I questioned her on when specifically she started thinking VPB/GL scum together and she gave dodgy replies, we asked her why she's scumreading Mastina who has been calling for VPB/GL heads all game and in response to that she said she's townreading Mastina now, I wish I could quote directly cause it feels really fake to me in how she did it and I'm honestly a bit flummoxed TSQ doesn't seem to think it's scummy at all. The whole thing gives me a strong impression that she felt she needed to discredit me literally the instant I voiced an opinion that she shouldn't be widely townread or on the council

[Enchant]

VP Baltar is mafia, of course there's will be counterwagon.

[ProfessorDrapion]

TSQ has his current council picks as:

Prince - Unwnd
Hand of the King Datisi
Lord Commander Andresvmb
Coin firebringer
Laws- Andante
Whisper Lukewarm
Grand Maester Junkochan

And asked for it to be posted here so everyone can weigh in

Ew.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion
Get me out of here!

[ProfessorDrapion]

If people don't wanna consider this though I'm down to just kill Drapion or Enchant you almost always flip a scum there

You almost always flip a town there you unicorns.


Y’all are acorns, y’all should just ML and lose.
Start with me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Just vote me, everyone get me out of here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m Town.
We don’t want Mafia clearly cause there is absolutely no reason Andante should be getting as town read as they are.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VP Baltar is mafia, of course there's will be counterwagon.

Junko and Titus are also spewed town.

I already gave a PoE.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Town is being hard controlled by wolves right now without the king’s involvement.

Honestly my suggestion is just sheep Mastina.

[GuiltyLion]

you know it used to be that we didn't consider players "spewed town" until there has actually been a mafia flip

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: dwlee

Btw, let's see what VP Baltar had to say about Dwlee prior to this vote:

On dwlee, voted there because I felt like it. I don't have a scummy vibe there at this point, and I think it's pretty unlikely I follow Mastina's proposal.

Dwlee I could see as town who hasn't had a real chance to engage yet.

Hi what have I missed

We need your ideas for who should be king and who should never have power in this game.

I could vote Andante I think she's town

I think andante is town. You think she's better Queen or on counsel. Like maybe Queen makes some sense because it really might be less power than the council.
Anyone you'd like to see in any of the other PRs specifically?

Scenario 1: Scum are getting negotiated out of power

This is a very solid town and would put scum in the group more out of power: Enchant, Uno, Dwlee, Titus, Rhae, etc.
This is a pretty rosey scenario and seems unlikely to some degree

Slight Lean Scum
{UNOwen, Enchant, Titus,

Andante

, Dwlee99, Datisi}

Interesting. Did you explain this earlier? I might have missed it.

There is ZERO mention of Dwlee being a scumread of VP Baltar.

Quite the opposite, VP Baltar mentioned Dwlee as town!

Even in the one scenario VP Baltar had Dwlee as possible scum, he described the scenario as by his own confession not very likely to be true.

And yet, VP Baltar voted Dwlee out of the gate in spite of ZERO mention of a scumread prior, and Dwlee got to what, L-2???

VP Baltar is scum.

Yes they are!

Look at Char and Andante.
They are probably also wolves.

Then look at Unwnd and Luke afterwards.

[ProfessorDrapion]

you know it used to be that we didn't consider players "spewed town" until there has actually been a mafia flip

You know nothing actually matters in mafia read wise the only thing that matters is a team wining.

[unwnd]

Where was this I dunno half of the game ago Drapion

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know how people treat each other and who spews you I’ve been right 9/10 more times then been wrong so try me.

[unwnd]

A post count?
Bro I usually do post counts on a 48 hour day phase game and almost max it out, guess I’m gonna have to meme for most of this game and not care too much.

I swear if I come on and see I’m voted as king your gonna see a fuck ton of memes, real fast.

If I actually didn’t meme and tried I could probably get votes on me for leader.
But I don’t really care about being the leader so ima just continue to meme.

I also didn’t even realize we were voting for king till during my meme phase.
I was like “oh ok, guess I’m not voting to execute anyone”.
Then voted Enchant.

I don’t read

I am really struggling to believe that the ProfessorDrapion that I played with in Lost doesn't come into this game declaring that he should be made king because he is secretly the best mafia hunter to ever play on this site, and the wolves would cower in fear so much they might just give up were he to ascend the throne.

Yet Drap has not once said he should be king. No self vote. And instead half this game his vote was on Enchant lol

Yeah cause I haven’t been paying much attention to this game and have been meming lol.

Memes memes memes I'm not trying you're town lol?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Anyone who said my game of LOST was bad, did we win? Yes we did.
Did I call both Rad and Johnny Town? Yes
Was I right? Obviously.
Did you still ML them even though I told you not to? Absolutely.

Did I red check a wolf that everyone was misclearing and called town? Yes, there name was Bella.

[ProfessorDrapion]

This is what irritates me in mafia.
I just wish for one mafia game people start thinking more like me.