House of the Dragon - Game Over!

ISO · Post Post #4350 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:02 pm

Why aren't we limming dann?

Firebringer · Post Post #4351 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:03 pm

because i got to protect my buddy Shea.

ISO · Post Post #4352 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:12 pm

???????

fireisredsir · Post Post #4353 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm

we can lim dann i guess i just am less confident on that than furtive

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #4354 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:07 pm

Replacing Dannflor

ProfessorDrapion · Post Post #4355 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

@mastina
What percentage are you for each Fire flipping town.
Cause it’s hard for me to see both Bringer and Red being town here.

fireisredsir · Post Post #4356 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:51 pm

i town

ISO · Post Post #4357 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:00 pm

In post 4346, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I’m sorry @Mastina
But are you gonna tell me Firebringer isn’t wolf here trying to save Dann.

As a matter of fact, yes.

How many members of the council will need to flip town before y'all realize that the entirety of the initial council (King included) was town?

I believe Firebringer's push on UNOwen isn't

optimal

, at least not today.
I don't believe Firebringer's push on Unowen is actually wrong.

"Saving" one scum (Dannflor) to try and eliminate a different scum (Unowen) is disproportionately a town action.

ISO · Post Post #4358 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:08 pm

In post 4355, ProfessorDrapion wrote:@mastina
What percentage are you for each Fire flipping town. Cause it’s hard for me to see both Bringer and Red being town here.

Fireisredsir: 99.99%. Andante was the towniest town to have ever towned pretty much, and fireisredsir is just as town if not more. That ain't an exaggerated read. (If I were exaggerating it'd be 200%.) There's less than a 1% chance of Andante2.0 being scum. I legit don't see how it could ever be possible, ever.

Firebringer: 60-90%. Fucked if I know how to read Firebringer, but like. If he's scum he's playing incredibly pro-town. I believe the council to be all town and he as the master of coin has acted in an incredibly pro-town manner. If I was faking read strength I'd call that a 99.99-100% read, but being honest, not quite that high because it's Firebringer, of course I can't read him worth a damn so of course it's not

that

high.

But like. His actions fit as town. His actions have been pro-town. His play looks town. He is doing things that look town. He doesn't seem to fit as scum. The scum's actions don't feel like they fit in a scum-Firebringer world. The scum's kills don't feel like Firebringer kills. So like. By every metric, he looks town to me. Legit the only reason he ISN'T 100% is because he's Firebringer, who I can't read worth shit and have an incredibly low accuracy rate in reading.

But like.

He has some pretty damn strong reasons to be town imo.

ProfessorDrapion · Post Post #4359 (ISO) » Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:49 pm

Hmm how likely is Bringer to rest his vote on a town for king as a wolf.

Cause before I was pushing Junko for King, he already had his vote on them.

Datisi · Post Post #4360 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:22 am

In post 4328, furtiveglance wrote:2) Enchant epitomises laziness/hiding right now, especially when several players are duelling/arguing about King/Council/Kingsguard

it's kind of ironic to hear you say this when your vote on enchant is the epitome of lazy right now. before being prodded about it, you were doing nothing to convince anyone to vote enchant.

the issue i have and why i struggle to believe that vote is real because you very clearly had a scumread on firebringer. that you were talking about for days. and you challenged him. and now that the trial ended, and firebringer had a few votes and you could've turned him into a real wagon, you instead voted enchant...? becuase...?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4361 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:44 am

Okay, nope? nope.

Given that Shea can appoint a new cop when Datisi dies, when are we shooting Datisi to confirm that Mastina and Titus are actually town?

I sort of vote for today.

Firebringer · Post Post #4362 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:48 am

do u actually scumread dats or is this just mechanic flip.
because if its just mechanic flip.
I vote hell no.
If its actually "i scumread dats". Gonna need way more compelling argument of how dats scum here.

Firebringer · Post Post #4363 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:55 am

say we flip dats just for u feeling assured that mastina/titus town. Great.
Dats flips town. This changes the game nothing for me and im down another townie.
Then lets say i get the cop power.

What r u going to do after i get a check and claim it. Kill me next?
We go round in circles to prove the cop claims while just killing townie. Gain so little other than complete certainty the checks are 100% verified.

Nope it hurts town just killing townies we are certain of for killing some residual paranoia.
Screw that.

Dats can deepwolf win for all i care, the plan to just kill people we townread for the off chance that we got bamboozled when all their play points to town. Insanity. Just pure insanity. Id straight up call it anti town

Datisi · Post Post #4364 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:00 am

In post 4361, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay, nope? nope.

Given that Shea can appoint a new cop when Datisi dies, when are we shooting Datisi to confirm that Mastina and Titus are actually town?

I sort of vote for today.

other than "do you actually think i'm scum, and if so why" that firebringer already asked, why is this only coming up now?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4365 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:01 am

Why would we give it to you?

Why not give it to one of the then confirmed townies who we can supposedly protect?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4366 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:01 am

In post 4364, Datisi wrote:
In post 4361, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay, nope? nope.

Given that Shea can appoint a new cop when Datisi dies, when are we shooting Datisi to confirm that Mastina and Titus are actually town?

I sort of vote for today.
other than "do you actually think i'm scum, and if so why" that firebringer already asked, why is this only coming up now?

Because my "Mastina scum alarm bells" are ringing VERY LOUD and because you're linked to that.

Firebringer · Post Post #4367 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:02 am

mastina is town and im the best mastina reader on this site.

Firebringer · Post Post #4368 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:03 am

In post 4367, Firebringer wrote:mastina is town and im the best mastina reader on this site.

This is not something i should be proud of lol

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4369 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:04 am

In post 4363, Firebringer wrote:say we flip dats just for u feeling assured that mastina/titus town. Great.
Dats flips town. This changes the game nothing for me and im down another townie.
Then lets say i get the cop power.

What r u going to do after i get a check and claim it. Kill me next?
We go round in circles to prove the cop claims while just killing townie. Gain so little other than complete certainty the checks are 100% verified.

Nope it hurts town just killing townies we are certain of for killing some residual paranoia.
Screw that.

Dats can deepwolf win for all i care, the plan to just kill people we townread for the off chance that we got bamboozled when all their play points to town. Insanity. Just pure insanity. Id straight up call it anti town

You're saying Dats can deepwolf win for all you care, and I'm the one who is being anti-town.

This is why Shea giving you any power was a huge error at the beginning of the game. Or maybe Shea is scum and it was a great choice?

But given I've seen you in a game just decide a player was town or you lose and never re-evaluate the game past that... and then go onto lose because that player (me) was scum.

Yeah I have serious concerns about our Follow the Cop setup right now.

Firebringer · Post Post #4370 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:04 am

In post 4365, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Why would we give it to you?

Why not give it to one of the then confirmed townies who we can supposedly protect?

Umm neither mastina or Titus could receive the role as they already got 2 roles. It would be me or fireisredsir. Neither of us are confirmed.

Datisi · Post Post #4371 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:05 am

why is mastina scummy to you?

Firebringer · Post Post #4372 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:08 am

actually shea didn't assign master of whisperers like i thought he did to Titus.
So in theory we could give Titus the hand of king.

Still don't like this plan because i have yet to hear why dats is scum.

Firebringer · Post Post #4373 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:09 am

In post 4369, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You're saying Dats can deepwolf win for all you care, and I'm the one who is being anti-town.

ur the one telling me to kill one of my biggest townreads on the off chance im wrong. for literally zero gain. Even if dats flips scum, I am going to tell you both mastina and titus are still town. It literally changes almost nothing how dats flips to me. Except I only lose a townread when it does flip town and what r u going to do? Ohh you just lose your paranoia over mastina.

Yeah. Not worth

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4374 (ISO) » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:10 am

In post 4371, Datisi wrote:why is mastina scummy to you?

Her reads this game have never felt natural, I said that D1 and she is giving off vibes that don't say "i'll be killed soon, so here are my thoughts". It's as if she knows she's going to be alive, which is really REALLY weird. There's no urgency there, and I get she's been sick but, the general gist I'm getting is Mastina's reads are still weird and she's no urgency to thinking she'll be shot so my gut is telling me scum, which would force you to be scum too.