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Post Post #4850 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:52 pm

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In post 4784, Firebringer wrote:even in a dats scum world. The only scummy thing ive found about mastina is she townreads me. That is just bizarre.
I have every reason to believe that the council has been town the entire game; you have been on the council the entire game.

I admit, without that, your posts aren't town at all. Nothing you've done or said has really made me think you're town.

The read is, exclusively, a mechanics read--because right now you are literally conftown.
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Post Post #4851 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:52 pm

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mastina. if datisi flips town aren't we like still in a very good spot? i don't particularly like it but i don't think it's gamethrowing to confirm the checks and then people can actually focus on the correct (in that world) poe
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Post Post #4852 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:52 pm

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In post 4846, fireisredsir wrote:i agree that datisi needs to die

im not even that confident that he's town. i thought he was more likely scum earlier and now my main reason for thinking that he's town is that idk how he wins as scum here and it feels like he would be doing something else to give him a better chance of winning (or if it's already unwinnable then maybe not trying so hard lol)

i just don't really feel like it needs to be today. i think we have a good chance at flipping a scum in the standard poe today and i would prefer to try to do that, and if we can't then we can go to datisi tomorrow

maybe that's not mechanically optimal, i think you're probably right, so i won't push for that i guess. my opposition to it might be on a more philosophical level
I know I still sort of scum read you and will probably revert to suspecting you in worlds where Datisi flips town (though furtive goes first I think, you really did sell me on furtive scum).

But you should strongly consider my arguments from a mechanical lens and a "what loses us the game" lens and playing around it.

And if you still can't find your way to killing dats today I get it but I think it's the wrong move.
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Post Post #4853 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:53 pm

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My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.

They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.

Somebody make this make sense.
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Post Post #4854 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:53 pm

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Everyone can see all the ways in which 4847 is Very Disingenuous, right? I gotta go for a bit but I'll be back to dissect it later

FireBringer. Do we need to go over this again. If Datisi is town she's next in line to be an unkillable conftown doctor unless scum can completely overtake the kingsguard. That alone is worth like 17% win probability in ELO because it changes from a 33% to 50%
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Post Post #4855 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:54 pm

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In post 4851, fireisredsir wrote:mastina. if datisi flips town aren't we like still in a very good spot? i don't particularly like it but i don't think it's gamethrowing to confirm the checks and then people can actually focus on the correct (in that world) poe
I'm very interested in the answer to this one, and how she will inevitably argue from the position it's bad and find an argument, as opposed to the other way around.
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Post Post #4856 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:54 pm

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That’s a good point.
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Post Post #4857 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:54 pm

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In post 4853, Roden wrote:My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.

They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.

Somebody make this make sense.
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Post Post #4858 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:54 pm

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GL has a point.
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Post Post #4859 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:55 pm

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In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?

Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!

I wonder why?
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Post Post #4860 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:56 pm

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That’s a good point.
If Dat is Town, Titus, LLD and Mastina become confirmed IC’s.
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Post Post #4861 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:56 pm

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mastina r u literally saying every vote on dats is scum.
because ummm u know LLD was checked by dats right lol
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Post Post #4862 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:56 pm

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In post 4859, mastina wrote:
In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?

Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!

I wonder why?
This is also bad logic.

How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
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Post Post #4863 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:57 pm

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In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
i mean i never accepted her terrible arguments.
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Post Post #4864 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:58 pm

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In post 4859, mastina wrote:
In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?

Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!

I wonder why?
Mastina I’m going to make a deal with you.
You have been reading the thread up to now right?
You understand what Dat has been giving us right?
You understand that if we execute them all their checks are IC’s right?

So I’ll vote Furtive who I think is Town.
In exchange we execute Dat and if they are Town that is fine. We got IC’s it would be 4 at that point and we legit cannot lose with that.

Do we have a deal?
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Post Post #4865 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:58 pm

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In post 4797, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,
Oh you, you I'm not talking to because I don't want to get banned.

I have fucking WORDS I would like to say but I'm on
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thin ice with the mafiascum mod teams (as-is I might still get banned anyway), so like. I can't say what I want to.
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Post Post #4866 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:58 pm

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FB regardless of your alignment it's been fun playing with ya this game especially today you are making me laugh, thanks for being you buddy
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Post Post #4867 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:58 pm

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Y'all are reading Mastina's posts??
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Post Post #4868 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm

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In post 4863, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
i mean i never accepted her terrible arguments.
Didn’t you agree with the VP and GL wolf read they made just like I did?
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Post Post #4869 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm

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In post 4799, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What's the DOWNSIDE here?
It's guaranteed to be an elimination on town rather than on scum.

Just to satiate the paranoia of ONE fucking player that's town along with doing
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what the scum want.

That seems like a pretty fucking huge downside to me!
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Post Post #4870 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:00 pm

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Man I’d LOVE to be fucking executed if it confirms 3 or 4 Town.

Lmao, what is your point Mastina?
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Post Post #4871 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:02 pm

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In post 4865, mastina wrote:
In post 4797, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,
Oh you, you I'm not talking to because I don't want to get banned.

I have fucking WORDS I would like to say but I'm on
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God that's always fun to hear.

"I'm really toxic and might get banned, so I'm not talking to you so I dno't be even MORE toxic and DEFINITELY get banned"

I didn't even do shit to you, lmfao.
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Post Post #4872 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:02 pm

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Honestly, would we even be having this conversation if the Cop was literally anyone besides Datisi
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Post Post #4873 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:02 pm

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In post 4853, Roden wrote:My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.

They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.

Somebody make this make sense.
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Post Post #4874 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:02 pm

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In post 4866, GuiltyLion wrote:FB regardless of your alignment it's been fun playing with ya this game especially today you are making me laugh, thanks for being you buddy
thanks buddy u 2
In post 4867, Roden wrote:Y'all are reading Mastina's posts??
I skim the walls. But dats made me do a deep dive on like day 2 on my read so i actually have read all of mastina posts.
In post 4868, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 4863, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
i mean i never accepted her terrible arguments.
Didn’t you agree with the VP and GL wolf read they made just like I did?
if ive agreed with any read of mastina its by coincidence. every case she has made or argument ive literally argued against in this game because its been bad argumentation. Ive literally argued against some case she made like day 2 even tho i agreed with her conclusion on the read.
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