mastina. if datisi flips town aren't we like still in a very good spot? i don't particularly like it but i don't think it's gamethrowing to confirm the checks and then people can actually focus on the correct (in that world) poe
im not even that confident that he's town. i thought he was more likely scum earlier and now my main reason for thinking that he's town is that idk how he wins as scum here and it feels like he would be doing something else to give him a better chance of winning (or if it's already unwinnable then maybe not trying so hard lol)
i just don't really feel like it needs to be today. i think we have a good chance at flipping a scum in the standard poe today and i would prefer to try to do that, and if we can't then we can go to datisi tomorrow
maybe that's not mechanically optimal, i think you're probably right, so i won't push for that i guess. my opposition to it might be on a more philosophical level
I know I still sort of scum read you and will probably revert to suspecting you in worlds where Datisi flips town (though furtive goes first I think, you really did sell me on furtive scum).
But you should strongly consider my arguments from a mechanical lens and a "what loses us the game" lens and playing around it.
And if you still can't find your way to killing dats today I get it but I think it's the wrong move.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.
They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.
Everyone can see all the ways in which 4847 is Very Disingenuous, right? I gotta go for a bit but I'll be back to dissect it later
FireBringer. Do we need to go over this again. If Datisi is town she's next in line to be an unkillable conftown doctor unless scum can completely overtake the kingsguard. That alone is worth like 17% win probability in ELO because it changes from a 33% to 50%
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 4851, fireisredsir wrote:mastina. if datisi flips town aren't we like still in a very good spot? i don't particularly like it but i don't think it's gamethrowing to confirm the checks and then people can actually focus on the correct (in that world) poe
I'm very interested in the answer to this one, and how she will inevitably argue from the position it's bad and find an argument, as opposed to the other way around.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 4853, Roden wrote:My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.
They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.
Somebody make this make sense.
Hey welcome to the team! It's called the killing Datisi today team.
Please lend us your vote.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?
Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?
Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!
I wonder why?
This is also bad logic.
How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
And wouldn't ya know it?
Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!
I wonder why?
Mastina I’m going to make a deal with you.
You have been reading the thread up to now right?
You understand what Dat has been giving us right?
You understand that if we execute them all their checks are IC’s right?
So I’ll vote Furtive who I think is Town.
In exchange we execute Dat and if they are Town that is fine. We got IC’s it would be 4 at that point and we legit cannot lose with that.
FB regardless of your alignment it's been fun playing with ya this game especially today you are making me laugh, thanks for being you buddy
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
i mean i never accepted her terrible arguments.
Didn’t you agree with the VP and GL wolf read they made just like I did?
In post 4853, Roden wrote:My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.
They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.
Somebody make this make sense.
Did you include combat trials
Wizard-Mercenary
You need replacement/players ASAP? PM me! I almost always accept.
In post 4866, GuiltyLion wrote:FB regardless of your alignment it's been fun playing with ya this game especially today you are making me laugh, thanks for being you buddy
In post 4862, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.
i mean i never accepted her terrible arguments.
Didn’t you agree with the VP and GL wolf read they made just like I did?
if ive agreed with any read of mastina its by coincidence. every case she has made or argument ive literally argued against in this game because its been bad argumentation. Ive literally argued against some case she made like day 2 even tho i agreed with her conclusion on the read.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown