Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[MathBlade]

So we lim Herta, if town we lim Skitter, if both town we NL, then ELO --- IDK but Val/Freedom atp? depends which claimed PRs are left I guess. If we lose we blame loss on herta/skitter for tunneling each other all game.

I don’t think I agree with this.

Which part?

That Herta v Skitter is TVS/SVT for starters.

I think we finally hit the crux of the mechanics and I want to chew on it before going full steam ahead.

[Toto]

K, I guess let's decide who we flip today. I think I want to go in herta/freedom/val

I don't want to leave Ydra/Skitter uncheked till ELO

[KittyTacky]

I just want to summon Kitty for thoughts. A vote works. No idea if she’s scum or maybe I think it *shrug*

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP THINKING I AM A GRIL

I am sorry for misgendering you sir.

It's fine.

[MathBlade]

K, I guess let's decide who we flip today. I think I want to go in herta/freedom/val

I don't want to leave Ydra/Skitter uncheked till ELO

I want Val I think personally.

I think I want to see where Ydra/Skitter fall on one more flip.

[MathBlade]

Because I think Ydra+Skitter or Val+Freedom is where I am at.

[Freedom]

Because I think Ydra+Skitter or Val+Freedom is where I am at.

Why is Val aligned with me?

[Herta]

if you want to murder skitter, i feel like the actual decision is to flip Ydra to prove her role.
if she flips town, we know skitter got framed and is clear. (minus ascetic possibility i guess)
If flips scum then we have to flip skitter tomorrow.

She got no result because you presumably JK tiger. So flipping them doesn't tell us much imo.

I just find their claim super convinient. They are now useless to town. I also don't find the claimed lack of night actions believable given wagon pressures. Also some previous potential breadcrumbs were hinting different things imo.

my action doesn't stop ydrasse action. She wouldn't get no result, she would get skitter didn't visit anyone if skitter was scum

It's a check was successful it not. It doesn't say whether someone visited someone.

[Herta]

I'm okay with doing but this is one of the more interesting games I've been in.

[KittyTacky]

if you want to murder skitter, i feel like the actual decision is to flip Ydra to prove her role.
if she flips town, we know skitter got framed and is clear. (minus ascetic possibility i guess)
If flips scum then we have to flip skitter tomorrow.

She got no result because you presumably JK tiger. So flipping them doesn't tell us much imo.

I just find their claim super convinient. They are now useless to town. I also don't find the claimed lack of night actions believable given wagon pressures. Also some previous potential breadcrumbs were hinting different things imo.

my action doesn't stop ydrasse action. She wouldn't get no result, she would get skitter didn't visit anyone if skitter was scum

It's a check was successful it not. It doesn't say whether someone visited someone.

Toto thought JK was like the Jailor from Town of Salem who blocked all actions performed on the jailee.

[Herta]

I'm okay with doing but this is one of the more interesting games I've been in.

This was supposed to be dying, not doing.

[Herta]

If scum are ninjas would that confuse your result ydra?

I'm not Ydra but I doubt that it would as Ninja only affects roles that are Tracker/Watcher-like.

Doesn't checker fall into that category?

[MathBlade]

Because I think Ydra+Skitter or Val+Freedom is where I am at.

Why is Val aligned with me?

More a PoE thing.

Ydra and Skitter likely share the same alignment. I just think it’s probably town because I don’t think if scum know Skitter was jailkept they link both players together because ydra claimed one shot there’s no mechanical reason not to elim. So with no juicy incentive to stay away a plan to elim there loses scum the game.

Instead both could have stayed quiet and came up with a better plan. Maybe it was scum being reckless but I doubt it.

If we don’t hit scum today I would support an elim on either as policy.

But it’s more likely just Val+1.

[MathBlade]

If scum are ninjas would that confuse your result ydra?

I'm not Ydra but I doubt that it would as Ninja only affects roles that are Tracker/Watcher-like.

Doesn't checker fall into that category?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Checker

It does according to the wiki.

So nevermind on that.

It seems disloyal checker is kinda useless lmao

We should ask Datisi if that’s how he rules it.

There’s a paragraph that says it’s tracked like

[Datisi]

vote count 4.01

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-12-28 17:30:00).

yeet

Herta [2]:

skitter30, KittyTacky

skitter30 [1]:

Freedom

Val89 [1]:

innocentvillager

not voting [6]:

Val89, Ydrasse, Herta, Firebringer, MathBlade,

Toto

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ this is a mod note

flavour

[MathBlade]

My brain is hurting so I wrote a PM to Datisi

That’s easier than trying to do the calculations on limited sleep.

[MathBlade]

We will see what he says if he can answer it.

[MathBlade]

Okay so if Toto is truthtelling then

Ydrasse would receive a succeeded and checked [playername] on mafia.
And on town Ydrasse would receive a fail.

So either Ydrasse and Skitter share an alignment or scum no killed and FB blocked Ydrasse.

[MathBlade]

And since Toto is IC I am assuming Toto is truthtelling.

[KittyTacky]

My drunk brain thought "wait why would he need to trust tell if he's the IC" when I realized I misread.

[KittyTacky]

This setup is weird. It has a similar vibe to a bastard setup while not being bastard.

[KittyTacky]

It would be bastard deadass if Toto wasn't informed of mafias being ninjas tbh tbh.

[innocentvillager]

Too much mech and slightly busy will catchup l8r

[innocentvillager]

We also need IV and KT to claim.

I am a vanilla townie

[innocentvillager]

just want to say before I dive in - consider *everything*.

Now that we know For sure Pooky was on the scumteam he is known to be capable of pulling off bizarre scum gambits.

There was a game where he and Ydrasse were scum together (some Mizzy Normal game) where Pooky orchestrated some weird no kill on night one and somehow cleared scum Ydrasse to endgame. maybe Ydrasse can shed more light on that game because I wasn’t really in it but just be aware that this is a possibility. scum are desperate and *may* go for a risky gambit due to their inability to kill for 4 nights. Please keep this in mind

[innocentvillager]

of course we should prioritize the most likely abc options first. But don’t totally discount the wacko gambits