Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Toto]

Meh.

Hard to play good town w/o emotions imo.

I don’t want to lim another Gera.

[innocentvillager]

Can you (re)clarify what you think is “so obvious” that you’re town here?

[innocentvillager]

2) remove the chances that im the losing elim at endgame. if i don’t have the fight in me i’d rather die sooner and let someone else who does win it for us

I mean we have to kill someone at endgame (that we could otherwise kill now). The way I see it we have X miselims and you “being brave” isn’t really like “Saving the town”

Just my 2c I could be wrong

[Ydrasse]

to me it feels like the things i’ve said should be seen as town but i know that my feelings are often irrational when i haven’t put in the work but to me it’s like i just don’t do any of this if i was a wolf and people should understand

[Ydrasse]

and i guess it’s like idk risk avoidance to use the miselim now if i can and remove myself from picture

i feel useless like i have a hierarchy of reads but can’t meaningfully pick one i feel good is bad and i’m afraid of being wrong

[innocentvillager]

I’m quite conflicted on you Ydr

Your relaxedness and ability to flow smoothly in thread whenever you post (non stilted) makes me lean town, but I have a feeling you can fake this.

Your lack of wim sort of feels scum indicative but I can see you losing interest as town too.

Your recent muddy meta makes you feel kind of unreadable since I see you are doing something similar as town

Your Pr actions seem plausibly scum motivated but are weird enough and still plausibly towny that I’m kind of ?? Here, I think you could’ve faked it and have motivation to but I’m unsure why this is the specific trajectory you decide to take as scum ig

I don’t have any strong opinions on who else is scum this game

I’m left very weakly gravitating towards you as the elim

[Ydrasse]

i don’t have strong opinions either so the herta wagon is kind of just like Ok even if he’s in my bottom tier

i’ll be back later my boss is here now

[innocentvillager]

and i guess it’s like idk risk avoidance to use the miselim now if i can and remove myself from picture

i feel useless like i have a hierarchy of reads but can’t meaningfully pick one i feel good is bad and i’m afraid of being wrong

I don’t think you are alone at all in this feeling and that is very okay. I don’t think any of us really have this game figured out, so maybe that is worth considering when comparing your value to some other town player in this game (not that I think this is an essential thing to consider but if that’s partially your angle maybe this helps)

[Toto]

Hey IV.

On a side note. Since you are here. Let me know if you can chat a bit. I’m a bit worried about you being so level headed. I can see the effort in you questioning people and reason with them. But feels a bit informed? Like you are really good at seeing the other persons pov. That’s why I’m worried about you.

[innocentvillager]

I’ve always sort of been this kind of player, maybe more in the past couple years than before. I’m not much of a leader especially when I’m conflicted, I’ve kind of felt in these sorts of situations I naturally shift more towards a mediating role that tries to stay positive/rational keep the town together and not falling apart. Idk if ends up being beneficial to town or just noise but that’s kinda how I feel this game for example.

[innocentvillager]

I’m also a very wishy washy player and I tend to overthink things and put myself in the other player’s shoes. Most of my contributions end up being more negating/poking at and questioning other player’s reads rather than pushing anything crazy myself. It’s not a great way to find scum, I’ll admit

[innocentvillager]

I guess part of me thinks that a world where town is motivated and cooperating with each other and being nice is more productive and pleasant than the alternative (demotivated chaos). I definitely see the value in letting things get heated and emotions coming out since that can provide media for people to townspew, so sometimes I like some of that as well. And I like to think I am being inclusive/open to hearing everyone’s thoughts

[innocentvillager]

I might try and hash out my thoughts on each slot later, not sure how much time I’ll have to do that, but now that I’m talking about all this I feel it might be a good time today or tmr (game day) to revisit each +town reason/hunch vibe I have on each player to see which reasons I gave unnecessary weight to

[Datisi]

prodding Herta.

[MathBlade]

Hey IV.

On a side note. Since you are here. Let me know if you can chat a bit. I’m a bit worried about you being so level headed. I can see the effort in you questioning people and reason with them. But feels a bit informed? Like you are really good at seeing the other persons pov. That’s why I’m worried about you.

I don’t think you get IV scum without me scum and I know I am not scum.

It’s possible IV scum didn’t kill every single night but I find that highly improbable.

I would sort me first if you’re worried.

[Herta]

vla through 12/31

I'm fine with flipping in freedom, herta and val. We get a dead body with freedom, some info with Herta, and more info with Val I think.

This game has me questioning everything really. Even the lock IV town read. I can see where toto is going with that. I think that's the reason for my little pings about Math also.

[innocentvillager]

vla through 12/31

I'm fine with flipping in freedom, herta and val. We get a dead body with freedom, some info with Herta, and more info with Val I think.

This game has me questioning everything really. Even the lock IV town read. I can see where toto is going with that. I think that's the reason for my little pings about Math also.

Is there a reason you referring to yourself as 3rd person? What info with yourself?

[innocentvillager]

Herta’s analysis of how good a flip is seems very focused on “what information it would provide” throughout this entire game.

When do we start killing people because they are likelier to be scum and not because of “information”? Is there any crucial info that we have gotten from the past 3 flips, that were all done for good information? (Except pooky somewhat I guess)

[Toto]

Anyone thinks it is possible/likely all three scum were on the Gera wagon?

geraintm [7]: Scoliosis, Toto

, Freedom, Herta, innocentvillager, Val89,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[HAMMER]
Scoliosis [4]: KittyTacky, Firebringer, MathBlade, Ydrasse
Herta [1]: geraintm
unwnd [1]: skitter30
not voting [0]:

If not at least one scum in {Kitty, Firebringer, MathBlade, Ydrasse, Skitter}.

It's funny the answer is almost the equivalent to are all PR claims true?

[skitter30]

Oh I did read that.

I mean sure that does help a bit (it’s easy to theorize about association stuff I guess?) but id like to know what she thinks about herta by himself now ig

still scummy + makes sense as a pooky partner

[skitter30]

Val what do u think abt pooky/math interactions the day math repped in?
How do they align with this theory?

@val

[innocentvillager]

Anyone thinks it is possible/likely all three scum were on the Gera wagon?

geraintm [7]: Scoliosis, Toto

, Freedom, Herta, innocentvillager, Val89,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[HAMMER]
Scoliosis [4]: KittyTacky, Firebringer, MathBlade, Ydrasse
Herta [1]: geraintm
unwnd [1]: skitter30
not voting [0]:

If not at least one scum in {Kitty, Firebringer, MathBlade, Ydrasse, Skitter}.

It's funny the answer is almost the equivalent to are all PR claims true?

I mentioned it as a possibility a while ago

[innocentvillager]

Oh I did read that.

I mean sure that does help a bit (it’s easy to theorize about association stuff I guess?) but id like to know what she thinks about herta by himself now ig

still scummy + makes sense as a pooky partner

I don’t know why you’re not trying to push harder any case him if you believe in it so much

[innocentvillager]

It’s your one tunnel yet it’s weird can’t figure out why exactly you are so tunneled on him

For a player of your caliber too I’m just left going ??

Don’t you want to convince me and others to sheep you?

[innocentvillager]

I know your wim is abnormally low for this game for some reason and that’s fine you do you but I feel like I’m the one begging for you to convince me on your tunnel usually it is the other way around for me