Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Flea The Magician]

I quickly TRed Aisa correctly my first time playing with her ftr

congratulations?

[Save The Dragons]

it was relevant...

[Haschel Cedricson]

The list of players eligible to be eliminated today consists of

Gamma Emerald
Ythan

furtiveglance
Aisa

Aisa: (3) Flea The Magician, Cephrir, Yume
Ythan: (2) furtiveglance, Save The Dragons,
furtiveglance: (1) mastina
Gamma Emerald:


Not Voting: Nancy Drew 39, the worst, Gamma Emerald, Ythan, Aisa

With 11 players in the temple, it takes 6 to eliminate.

[Haschel Cedricson]

the worst has requested replacement.

[Ythan]

God I hate mafia.

Still reading and pondering.

[Ythan]

I open in the morning and I don't owe this game any more stress I'll be back tomorrow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I open in the morning and I don't owe this game any more stress I'll be back tomorrow.

That’s unfortunately not very helpful. :/

I 100% don’t want to vote for furtive and getting town vibes from Gamma. Not really sold on Asia’s takes but if you won’t help us? *sigh*

[Nancy Drew 39]

the worst has requested replacement.

I want this dead tomorrow. Please someone make this happen.

[Flea The Magician]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

Which comment and why are you not voting Ythan then? I don’t think it’s Mastina but I can see the other three. Duckling, I think is obvious.

[furtiveglance]

I'd love any responses to either 828 or 898.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

i actually have no impression of either of the iguanas so far and would be down for this

Gamma is on my radar since posting that but am still struggling to recall anything Ythan has said. Do you have strong reads on the iguanas?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Duckling wanted to challenge iguanas but never did, so, hmmm?

Of course we don’t know his alignment but makes a helluva lot of sense for him to be scum with Mega.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Associative = could be partnery

Anti-associative = makes partners less likely

Probably isn't ordered within the tiers

VOTE: Yume

Bad entrance

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative and I already think Yume is town anyway

Not entirely sure how it works

Either way Nancy voting mastina is incredibly odd for that umm.... case

Ok, the vote in question is 55. I'm inclined to believe that Meg wouldn't want to hamstring Nancy if they were Mafia together by criticising her vote. It's a possible chainsaw for mastina though.

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

Seems anti-associative to me.

StD town tbh

I don't think this is anti-associative, personal read of course. I think with 4 Mafia in 12, you'd probably want to townread at least 1 partner, though how you went about that might look different for each player.

Woah I just realised this setup doesn’t have a fixed number of miselims before Town loses, isn’t maths crazy

Technically yes but if there's two all-town mislims without scum dead, town loses. So we only get two.

It's nightless so we get 4 mislims +1 for every scum eliminated.

Also this feels like town mastina

I do get more pockety vibes from this about mastina, more anti-associative than previous comment about her.

With this next post below, I'll type in

purple

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First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

I don't think this is anti-associative, I can see Meg saying this about a partner.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

I think this is anti-associative.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

This one could go either way for me, I think sometimes scum like to talk about mechanics in reference to their partners, but then again outright saying 'I like this from Flea' is slightly anti-associative I think.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

This is making me slightly nervous about Aisa. It looks a bit like 'partner swapping' - in which you call your partner scum with a town to make your argument more convincing and muddy the waters. I have done this before and it's a good strat. The way Meg is suggesting us as Mafia together, but primarily pushing me, makes me consider this 'associative'. I also think that the character of Cephrir is suspiciously placed here. Meg is borrowing his read, but never bothers to express a read on Cephrir in this post (or any other). This looks 'associative' to me.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

This looks like quite a straightforward attempt at buddying. Anti-associative.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

The post in question (271) is Gamma calling me inauthentic. I think the way that Meg balances this comment of '+town for Gamma' with the caveat that they don't necessarily agree makes this 'associative', as I've often qualified reads/comments about partners in this way before.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

Realistically I'm fine with the Snakes being challenged here but I would enjoy the ability to catch up and collect my thoughts.

It's funny, the way other people accused me of seeing myself and Aisa as a team is making me question the language here. I'm going to consider this 'associative' with the worst.

In conclusion then, I think Meg has anti-associatives with Nancy, Flea, Yume and (less so) mastina.

And I think Meg has possible associatives with Aisa, Cephrir, Gamma Emerald and the worst.

Just the one interaction with STD which in my view could go either way. And no mention at all of Ythan.

Having said all this, I do prefer to read players first and foremost on their own content. This sort of stuff just adds to how I view the game, and when my own reads seem to contradict with possible 'associatives' or 'anti-associatives', it gives me something to think about.

I’m sorry, I actually did already respond in our pt but yeah I’m really vibing with these takes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I decided to go through interactions with Meg for the 3 other vote candidates, doing everyone would take too long for one post but I do want to do it soon.

Formatting note: a bit is unspoilered because I don't know how to spoiler quotes with spoilers in.

Aisa:

Spoiler:

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.

Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contents

Aisa asks Meg an open question about their read on Nancy. I can see this coming from town or scum.

>:/
why do you care about that?

In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.

In long:

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.

I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much.

I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.

furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "

I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.

I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.

You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.

Thanks for this by the way :3

In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.

Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)

The line I bolded is interesting. Aisa is aware that Meg is close to a USR, but also expresses a desire to wait for more content from them. I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from town or scum, sorry. I'll just move on.

This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
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General thoughts on the gamestate

I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.

I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.

Yume

@Yume:

why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.

Well. That was a lot of words.

Slight townlean

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mastina

I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.

One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.

Null.

MegAzumarill

A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.

As for her wall...

Spoiler:

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.

Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.

]

I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?

Gamma Emerald:

Spoiler:

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

I said this before, but this is an indirect defence of Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

GE expresses frustration at the point I made, despite it being more or less true - clarifying Meg's remark in this case makes it make sense, and therefore counters Nancy's defensive/agressive post towards Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

I'd say she's skirting around multiple slots but I meant you

GE accuses Meg of skirting around reading players. This interests me because there is no town motivation for doing this - GE is basically saying Meg is scum, but in a very casual way. I'd consider this associative.

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

Meg is the only scumread on GE's list, yet her final comment is about 3 other users, 'tinfoiling' Flea (scumlean) with a townlean and a null. This reminds me of my scumplay when I have a buddy as a scumread but am louder about a town that I 'scumread'. I'd consider this 'associative'.

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

This could be inviting a partner to post/cueing them in in a way.

VOTE: MegAzumarill
Since there’s already 3 tw votes I’ll do this instead

I'm still not sure how to read this because TW hasn't flipped yet.

Ythan:

Spoiler:

Oh duh it's Meg you were being defensive at ignore me I get it.

This is Ythan's only mention of Meg all game, apart from when they listed the players who were eligible to be voted after the first challenge. I consider this lack of interaction associative in itself, given that Ythan has interacted more substantially with 6/11 of the non-Ythan users by my count.

It’s definitely not uncommon for scum to ignore their buddies. I think Gamma and Ythan extremely unlikely to be aligned based off reactions to the challenge, since Gamma issued it and Ythan seems pissed we’re requiring any input from her.

[Flea The Magician]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

Which comment and why are you not voting Ythan then? I don’t think it’s Mastina but I can see the other three. Duckling, I think is obvious.

Because honestly my brain isn't on all cylinders. You'll notice there's a thing when late night/early morning for me when there's extra letters and punctuation. That's brain running on immediate vibes, not whole game vibes.

It's part of why I took a break for so long. I should do a breakdown in my GTKAS.

Anyway, awake, sugared and while unfed, mostly concious.
I need to review Aisa's posting last night, see if the vibe changes. I'm suspecting not because the "reasons to not vote but actually a half arsed readwall" was sus as all heck.

The pool I've given has 2 activity reads - I hate activity reads, anyone who's played with me knows I hate elitelling and the like.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

[furtiveglance]

I decided to go through interactions with Meg for the 3 other vote candidates, doing everyone would take too long for one post but I do want to do it soon.

Formatting note: a bit is unspoilered because I don't know how to spoiler quotes with spoilers in.

Aisa:

Spoiler:

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.

Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contents

Aisa asks Meg an open question about their read on Nancy. I can see this coming from town or scum.

>:/
why do you care about that?

In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.

In long:

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.

I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much.

I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.

furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "

I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.

I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.

You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.

Thanks for this by the way :3

In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.

Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)

The line I bolded is interesting. Aisa is aware that Meg is close to a USR, but also expresses a desire to wait for more content from them. I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from town or scum, sorry. I'll just move on.

This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
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General thoughts on the gamestate

I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.

I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.

Yume

@Yume:

why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.

Well. That was a lot of words.

Slight townlean

.

mastina

I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.

One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.

Null.

MegAzumarill

A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.

As for her wall...

Spoiler:

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.

Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.

]

I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?

Gamma Emerald:

Spoiler:

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

I said this before, but this is an indirect defence of Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

GE expresses frustration at the point I made, despite it being more or less true - clarifying Meg's remark in this case makes it make sense, and therefore counters Nancy's defensive/agressive post towards Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

I'd say she's skirting around multiple slots but I meant you

GE accuses Meg of skirting around reading players. This interests me because there is no town motivation for doing this - GE is basically saying Meg is scum, but in a very casual way. I'd consider this associative.

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

Meg is the only scumread on GE's list, yet her final comment is about 3 other users, 'tinfoiling' Flea (scumlean) with a townlean and a null. This reminds me of my scumplay when I have a buddy as a scumread but am louder about a town that I 'scumread'. I'd consider this 'associative'.

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

This could be inviting a partner to post/cueing them in in a way.

VOTE: MegAzumarill
Since there’s already 3 tw votes I’ll do this instead

I'm still not sure how to read this because TW hasn't flipped yet.

Ythan:

Spoiler:

Oh duh it's Meg you were being defensive at ignore me I get it.

This is Ythan's only mention of Meg all game, apart from when they listed the players who were eligible to be voted after the first challenge. I consider this lack of interaction associative in itself, given that Ythan has interacted more substantially with 6/11 of the non-Ythan users by my count.

It’s definitely not uncommon for scum to ignore their buddies. I think Gamma and Ythan extremely unlikely to be aligned based off reactions to the challenge, since Gamma issued it and Ythan seems pissed we’re requiring any input from her.

Yh I don't think Gamma is scum with either Ythan or Aisa based on the challenge, just seems too risky

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire and it’s clear they’re not responding to it, it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

Its been true as often as its been false tbh, I still hate it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I honestly don’t know who I’m voting for yet other than obviously not you and I’m currently feeling okay about Gamma, so it’s between Asia and Ythan and I currently have no idea - either who to vote for or if either one’s scum. But your associative/anti-associative posts, make me think possibly Aisa but currently she’s doing a lot more than Ythan who I initially town gutread, so hopefully she ai tells, one way or the other.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

Its been true as often as its been false tbh, I still hate it.

But it’s consistent with Mega’s meta. In Even/Odd Killers, Mega had responded in real time to the game and was heavily invested, so maybe ellitells + meta then?

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah I'll give you that, Meg has epic lurkscum meta... have seen a couple instances of townlurk but nowhere near as often.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I'll give you that, Meg has epic lurkscum meta... have seen a couple instances of townlurk but nowhere near as often.

It’s an extremely reliable tell in general because town tends to fight being miselimed but scum knows it’s likely pointless.

And in E/O Killers, I was in a scum hydra with RR and RR kept hardpushing her and she didn’t take it lying down.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Ythan
I think the evidence presented recently might be a sign she’s scum with tw, between her not really engaging there and tw dodging giving any thoughts on Ythan