Election! | GAME OVER

[ActionDan]

Mayor guiltylion

I'm rereading still but could you tell me about where in this thread your read necessarily must have flipped?

@Datisi Enchant still scum to you, yes?

[furtiveglance]

anyway, with the consensus seeming to be outing votes (and by consensus i mean bingle) i will be figuring out my votes tomorrow morning. i'm prob gonna be around for some 20 minutes or so so if anyone has anything real-time to ask me now's the time

reads on meowth, Bloodb0t, SirCakez

[GuiltyLion]

Datisi I'm fine with calling the read a reach but it's not convoluted at all, UNOwen pressed Bingle on a read I thought was particularly suspicious and to me that demonstrated townie intent. Why do you refer to that as "convoluted"?

[Herta]

I don't understand this attitude at all. What am I missing?

I didn't understand why you told me that votes tell us information, especially in regular mafia set ups. I am aware of that - did you think I was not?

You said "we keep track of votes in a regular game for reasons, one of them is to see who votes for who" - doesn't that statement feel kinda obvious to you?

I'm also having a hard time empathizing with what the intention behind your post was, were you trying to change my mind about posting our ballots? It felt disconnected to me because I was more trying to understand what Pooky was afraid of if we kept ballots secret, I wasn't operating from a stance that there are no benefits to posting our votes. The conversation in my mind was more about evaluating the tradeoffs of consolidating votes or making our votes public, and you jumped in to state benefits of public votes that I wasn't disagreeing with or unaware of.

What I was trying to get across were the parallels of a regular mafia game and this one despite the untypical nature of it. No, I didn't realize that you were fully anti-posting votes. That was not the implication that I gathered from your post. Now that you've explained it, fine. I'd rather not be summarily dismissed without explanation unless it's funny. Or strategic.

[furtiveglance]

Hertown

[GuiltyLion]

Seems like GL is either someone who thinks about the game so differently from me that I can't possibly understand it or he's scum.

If you can't understand things I post you could alwaus ask me questions. Why haven't you yet? And why such a dichotomy, do you really believe you can't possibly understand my point of view on things?

[furtiveglance]

GuiltyLion, any scumreads so far?

[GuiltyLion]

Ausuka still public enemy #1

I really don't like that bloodb0t post I just replied to and don't remember anything else they've done so they're also a scumread

otherwise Datisi and Pooky have each given me some weird pings but they could both easily be town. I also didn't understand why LLD is at town!Pooky with such high confidence, that struck me as a lil pockety

[Bingle]

Mayor guiltylion

I'm rereading still but could you tell me about where in this thread your read necessarily must have flipped?

@Datisi Enchant still scum to you, yes?

It didn't, I indirectly answered the why right before posting that ballot.

[Datisi]

@Datisi Enchant still scum to you, yes?

i saw he made some posts in the thread so maybe not. i'll look at him in a bit.

reads on meowth, Bloodb0t, SirCakez

idk, town, town?

Datisi I'm fine with calling the read a reach but it's not convoluted at all, UNOwen pressed Bingle on a read I thought was particularly suspicious and to me that demonstrated townie intent. Why do you refer to that as "convoluted"?

i feel like i'm back in croatian literature class in high school where the teacher is asking us to divine meaning from a work where i see no deeper meaning at all.

that is to say - i don't think you can determine intent from unowen from that singular post. maybe he thought bingle was suspicious for having that read, because bingle showed that scummy pattern. maybe he thought bingle was suspicious for that read for some other reason. maybe he just wanted to see a different perspective for his own read on dan. not to mention, "why is x town" is one of the easiest questions to ask as scum to appear like you're doing something.

so to take 222 and to conclude "i think bingle is prob scum because his townread on dan fits this specific pattern, and unowen asked one question about it that he hadn't even followed up on since bingle hasn't even responded, that must mean unowen noticed the exact same thing i did and therefore is likely town for it" is convoluted. and i think a townie on the receiving end of that read would notice that and react to it.

[SleepyKrew]

SleepyKrew I'd be interested to hear if you have any thoughts about Pookys assertion that scum!you would not jump into a Mayor election against the two of us as townies.

weird assertion, I don’t see any risk to doing that regardless of my alignment

[SleepyKrew]

I think I can track the logic but it’s just not something I’d care about either way

[Datisi]

i saw he made some posts in the thread so maybe not. i'll look at him in a bit.

i want to make it clear - "in a bit" means when the sun is out and i'm not on the verge of passing out. i.e. tomorrow.

[Bingle]

We should attempt to get PRs into the hands of town, yes. The takeaway from that is that you should pick people you think are town for the options. There are reasons to do otherwise (for example, voting enchant for cop because you don't think scum will want to shoot town enchant;

voting GL for JOAT because you think forcing accountability for GL's night actions might help make a solid read there and you're not at all confident in your scumlean there

), but overall we're better off if we manage 6 town PRs.

[BloodB0t]

@guiltylion I haven't asked yet because I don't know where to begin, and other people are asking better questions than I can think of, and your answers to those questions are seeming kind of scummy to me. But I will try to think of good questions for you.

[furtiveglance]

Ausuka still public enemy #1

I really don't like that bloodb0t post I just replied to and don't remember anything else they've done so they're also a scumread

otherwise Datisi and Pooky have each given me some weird pings but they could both easily be town. I also didn't understand why LLD is at town!Pooky with such high confidence, that struck me as a lil pockety

I don't see what Ausuka's done wrong and seeing a couple of players call her scum out of nowhere a few pages ago was weird

[GuiltyLion]

If you don't understand something I said that seems like a natural place to begin?

Can you give an example of an answer to a question I've given that you thought was scummy and explain why you thought it was scummy

[UNOwen]

and i think a townie on the receiving end of that read would notice that and react to it.

You'll have to take my word for it that I did notice it but decided that it was entirely possible GuiltyLion could make that read as town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe I'm just wrong about GuiltyLion in which case he should carry me

[BloodB0t]

@gl I will answer any of your questions too, but atm I'm feeling like you haven't wanted to ask me questions this game because you don't think you'll be able to make people read me scum by doing that.

I will also think of some of your answers that pinged me scummy.

I'll admit I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by this game but I will put my focus on you and hopefully get back to you with something substantial tomorrow.

[ActionDan]

oh ok, got it. I disagree that's wise but I believe you believe it so I guess its ok. I assume that doesn't apply to the other choices at least

btw with all this talk surrounding owen's 222, can't they just answer the motivation for asking the question themselves, have they been in this thread yet to perhaps shed daylight on it?

My own opinion on UNOwen rides between Bingle's and Meowth's in that logically there isn't anything in the "fluffy short iso" I can pin down as scummy (I don't think either of 222 or 424 are egregiously scummy) but the fact that those are the only two posts that would qualify as content in 20 pages is.

[GuiltyLion]

Ausuka still public enemy #1

I really don't like that bloodb0t post I just replied to and don't remember anything else they've done so they're also a scumread

otherwise Datisi and Pooky have each given me some weird pings but they could both easily be town. I also didn't understand why LLD is at town!Pooky with such high confidence, that struck me as a lil pockety

I don't see what Ausuka's done wrong and seeing a couple of players call her scum out of nowhere a few pages ago was weird

It's less about what shes done wrong, rather all I see from her is trying to pass vibe checks and little in the way of actual sorting or town mindset.

Heres a recent example:

Pooky and GL scumread me which is scummy so I am forced to vote for SleepyKrew for mayor

This post is trying to sound chill and blase but the underlying reasoning is weaksauce - I highly doubt Ausuka genuinely thinks both of us are scum each maneuvering to discredit specifically her in particular. so either she's joking about reads to avoid actually giving a read on us, or she's not joking about the read and its an underwhelming take. Neither feels townie.

I also still have my initial issue with her pressing on me feeling like it wasn't meant to accomplish anything meaningful - but Datisi thought it was "reasonable" so ymmv

[GuiltyLion]

@gl I will answer any of your questions too, but atm I'm feeling like you haven't wanted to ask me questions this game because you don't think you'll be able to make people read me scum by doing that.

Where did this come from? I've literally been asking you questions right in this very dialogue?? Were there other posts you thought I should have asked you about that I didn't?

[ActionDan]

hard agree with 696

[Bingle]

@pooky, gl- I've been nursing a tinfoil for a while now because it's a cheeky scumfuck move I totally would have encouraged my teammates to pull and I want your thoughts. Dats/Ausuka/Enchant team all yolo declared for Sheriff to completely negate town's chances of having a cop and force a scum member into the PT.