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[Clone]

I swear referring to a team against the town that can kill 1 person a night is referred to as Mafia in most Mafia games. Solo killers are killed Serial Killers.

[redFF]

I believe Crescent should have voted me by now, the excessive analyzation and a delay to vote comes off as

Mafia

. Their posts tend to indicate that they know I'm not actually

Mafia

(as they are

Mafia

)

Something like this always pings me a bit. Because I know we're playing a game on "mafia" scum - and generally the opposing team to town is "mafia" but Mod never mentioned "mafia" in their opening posts. They referred to the opposing faction as "scum".

The first person to mention "mafia" this game? Well that was me, but in reference to the name of the game.

Others have also mentioned "mafia" in reference to the game.

Clone though, they have actually used the term "mafia" like there are mafia in the game. Likelihood of that being the case? I assume pretty good. But this is something that sticks out to me.

Lmfao WHAT is this post

[Crescent]

Oh and to further the point about #177 and #178, perspective slips don't really exist when it comes to nouns and pronouns. I once saw a town throw a game at lylo because someone accidentally referred to the scum team as "we" and was voted off strictly for that.

Couldn't care less that there's four interchangeable terms for not-town and he decided to use the one that people generally haven't been using this game so far.

It actually kind of bugs me a bit that FK didn't call this out because I believe he's a player that should know how meaningless the argument was.

It just pings me. Cool with your input on it and happy if it doesn't ping others. Just sticks out to me because subconscious slips are a thing. They've happened before, they'll happen again. Just because you can mention one game where it was wrong to follow this logic, doesn't mean all games and situations will always be just like that.

Your last bit means more to me than your opinion on my opinions though. You thinking Frog is off for not calling out something you think he should. Do you think Frog is trying to buddy me then?

It makes me more curious as to why he says he town reads you because so far I don't see it. He effectively parlayed your post into shading the already oft-shaded #124 without commenting on the argument it was making. I find that kind of argument you made is much better at getting town voted off than it is scum since town is generally more loose with their speech than scum is.

BBT has also said it, but I don't believe he's given any explanation either.

Basically, I want an explanation of said town read because the comparison he was making between you this game and last game doesn't hold at all.

[Kowahbunga]

I believe Crescent should have voted me by now, the excessive analyzation and a delay to vote comes off as

Mafia

. Their posts tend to indicate that they know I'm not actually

Mafia

(as they are

Mafia

)

Something like this always pings me a bit. Because I know we're playing a game on "mafia" scum - and generally the opposing team to town is "mafia" but Mod never mentioned "mafia" in their opening posts. They referred to the opposing faction as "scum".

The first person to mention "mafia" this game? Well that was me, but in reference to the name of the game.

Others have also mentioned "mafia" in reference to the game.

Clone though, they have actually used the term "mafia" like there are mafia in the game. Likelihood of that being the case? I assume pretty good. But this is something that sticks out to me.

Lmfao WHAT is this post

Call it scum or call it town or just sit there and wait for everyone else to do it for you I guess?

[Elements]

Hopefully I'll be able to catch-up tomorrow evening
VOTE: clone

[Cephrir]

Can you recognize a remote possibility that I find it protown to suggest that a possibly town aligned player not get too invested in something I don't think is alignment indicative

No, sorry, I can't. It's never protown to ignore something or look into something less.

This is a game of information at it's very core. Scum start with more information, town's goal is to surpass the amount of information scum have. It should be up to the individual town person to decide when information is no longer useful. It will forever be scummy to me if anyone says "don't read too much into that".

Not saying you have to agree with me just that you have to recognize this is an opinion I might hold

[Clone]

Hopefully I'll be able to catch-up tomorrow evening
VOTE: clone

prehaps youll come up with a better vote as well

[Clone]

oh shit a bit after 7 minutes whoops

[Cephrir]

Red, what is your reason for voting Clone?

Gera's vote town vibes me. There's a contradiction I noticed in Clone's behavior that I believe Gera is pointing out.

I don't want to elaborate further without a reason from Red first though.

i'm not reading gera as town right now so i'm annoyed by this post for townreading him based on an assumption of what he meant to say but actually didn't

also kinda wild that you asked only red about the reason for his vote when you could have also asked gera and had whatever thought process you're having confirmed or denied. you know what happens when you assume

It's the specific part of where Gera voted based on that I like. He voted Clone based on his words contradicting his actions.

How do you know?

Because I've played with Gera enough (this guy has been in almost every game I've played on the site), and he isn't great at explaining his votes regardless of his alignment. It's +town EV for him that he pointed out that specific part when he voted instead of reposting the entire thing. By his standards, that's showing genuine thought behind placing a vote.

This is pretty out there to me

Not only are you putting this entire complex thought process in someone's mouth but also acting as though it is a definitive fact he had this exact process

Bizarre stuff. Don't get it.

[Clone]

i'd like to send Element to trial. I want them to give their analisis on the game so far and provide a few reads. They've said pap multiple times and have provided nothing else of value.

[Crescent]

It amounts to little more than a glorified gut feeling. I feel like the vote came from the right place and it town vibes me.

Quick question Elements: If you haven't caught up yet, why jump on the leading vote without a reason?

[Clone]

lol town vibes you?

[Crescent]

On a side note our resident host confirmed town hasn't posted in a day.

Herta if you're around at all just share anything relevant you're thinking even if you think it's minor. Anything that comes from you is a plus for the town.

[Clone]

Id tend to believe that at least one non-speaker is Mafia.

[Crescent]

lol town vibes you?

Yep.

I feel the way that vote was placed is more likely to come from town Gera. I made this read like what 40-50 posts ago?

This wasn't even the first time I've said a vote town vibes me. I have maintained that post #27 is a +town look for Elements.

[Frogsterking]

Oh and to further the point about #177 and #178, perspective slips don't really exist when it comes to nouns and pronouns. I once saw a town throw a game at lylo because someone accidentally referred to the scum team as "we" and was voted off strictly for that.

Couldn't care less that there's four interchangeable terms for not-town and he decided to use the one that people generally haven't been using this game so far.

It actually kind of bugs me a bit that FK didn't call this out because I believe he's a player that should know how meaningless the argument was.

It just pings me. Cool with your input on it and happy if it doesn't ping others. Just sticks out to me because subconscious slips are a thing. They've happened before, they'll happen again. Just because you can mention one game where it was wrong to follow this logic, doesn't mean all games and situations will always be just like that.

Your last bit means more to me than your opinion on my opinions though. You thinking Frog is off for not calling out something you think he should. Do you think Frog is trying to buddy me then?

It makes me more curious as to why he says he town reads you because so far I don't see it. He effectively parlayed your post into shading the already oft-shaded #124 without commenting on the argument it was making. I find that kind of argument you made is much better at getting town voted off than it is scum since town is generally more loose with their speech than scum is.

BBT has also said it, but I don't believe he's given any explanation either.

Basically, I want an explanation of said town read because the comparison he was making between you this game and last game doesn't hold at all.

It's based on feelings and intuition. It's possible I'm underestimating Kowahbunga and I became manipulated by them without my realizing. If you can show me how Kowahbunga manipulated me into flipping my read on him then I will reevaluate.

[Clone]

A town read coming from a person that is most likely not town seems invalid to me.

I've also noticed that when you dismiss a post you tend to not quote it. Your post seemed to dismiss this post "i'd like to send Element to trial. I want them to give their analisis on the game so far and provide a few reads. They've said pap multiple times and have provided nothing else of value." It was directly below it, but was clearly targetted at my comment towards Elements vote.

[Elements]

i'd like to send Element to trial. I want them to give their analisis on the game so far and provide a few reads. They've said pap multiple times and have provided nothing else of value.

Pap

[Clone]

Alright that seemed confusing. Crescents posts tend to dismiss another post and validate another. They ignore the post that they don't have a response to, but still comment on another post by the same user. When they do this, i've noticed that they don't quote. Like post #210 "It amounts to little more than a glorified gut feeling. I feel like the vote came from the right place and it town vibes me." which seemed dismissive of post #209

[Kowahbunga]

i'd like to send Element to trial. I want them to give their analisis on the game so far and provide a few reads. They've said pap multiple times and have provided nothing else of value.

Pap

What is pap?

[Clone]

i'd like to send Element to trial. I want them to give their analisis on the game so far and provide a few reads. They've said pap multiple times and have provided nothing else of value.

Pap

alright give your shittakes tomorrow

[Crescent]

Id tend to believe that at least one non-speaker is Mafia.

Those two need to be removed for people who will actually play.

Gun to my head I naturally trust the one who role confirmed but never posted less than the one who never confirmed at all (effectively a true neutral), but it's not a lot to go on without content.

[Crescent]

Oh and to further the point about #177 and #178, perspective slips don't really exist when it comes to nouns and pronouns. I once saw a town throw a game at lylo because someone accidentally referred to the scum team as "we" and was voted off strictly for that.

Couldn't care less that there's four interchangeable terms for not-town and he decided to use the one that people generally haven't been using this game so far.

It actually kind of bugs me a bit that FK didn't call this out because I believe he's a player that should know how meaningless the argument was.

It just pings me. Cool with your input on it and happy if it doesn't ping others. Just sticks out to me because subconscious slips are a thing. They've happened before, they'll happen again. Just because you can mention one game where it was wrong to follow this logic, doesn't mean all games and situations will always be just like that.

Your last bit means more to me than your opinion on my opinions though. You thinking Frog is off for not calling out something you think he should. Do you think Frog is trying to buddy me then?

It makes me more curious as to why he says he town reads you because so far I don't see it. He effectively parlayed your post into shading the already oft-shaded #124 without commenting on the argument it was making. I find that kind of argument you made is much better at getting town voted off than it is scum since town is generally more loose with their speech than scum is.

BBT has also said it, but I don't believe he's given any explanation either.

Basically, I want an explanation of said town read because the comparison he was making between you this game and last game doesn't hold at all.

It's based on feelings and intuition. It's possible I'm underestimating Kowahbunga and I became manipulated by them without my realizing. If you can show me how Kowahbunga manipulated me into flipping my read on him then I will reevaluate.

This kind of feels like both an answer (effectively calling it gut) and a non answer baiting a counterargument. I don't have any major reason to call him scum, but I don't have one to call him town, either.

[Frogsterking]

i think you're reading too much into things

This is a scum mindset.

VOTE: Cephir

Frog's issues with my post could also be deemed "reading too much into things" but you agree enough with him to vote me for the same reason. Yet you want to tell someone else they're reading too much into things? This is made even more interesting that you find it okay to agree with Frog's reach but don't like someone that you claim is reaching, reaching against Frog.

i don't really get the focus on kow's vote tbh...

also don't think andante's response to it was scum indicative rather than just andante indicative though

Regarding Kow, my thoughts...

1. Why does town need to plan what they are going to do for RVS in the pregame?

2.

That’s entirely fair
I just had the idea in pregame so I figured I’d vocalize it immediately.

VOTE: andante

hi everyone

Yeah, actually, what specifically makes you park your rvs vote on me... could pick gamer, haschel, gamma, or penguin
yet you opted to join the vote on me. Please share why

I decided pre-game I would vote the first person voted, I'm not sorry it was you.

I think the justification of his RVS vote being "i decided pre-game" could have easily just been stolen from Gamma saying that she decided pregame to ask everyone to post a reads list. sort of "i'm getting pushed on my RVS vote, how do I explain it, i'll just say what Gamma said..."This is a bit of a reach but it did seem weird to me and worth pointing out.

Does this mean you also scum read Gamma for planning pregame or just me for doing it?

i feel like there are an immense amount of similarities between Kow's play in either game. I didn't bother to write them up earlier. I was curious if I could find anything now or I just imagined it, so I went back and within a few seconds I saw the above quote from the other game. You can see an example of just one way Kow is being consistent in the methods that he scum hunts from the above. I associate this same tell, which Kow is pointing out in two different games, with a user here named FrozenAngel. It's a legitimate way of scumhunting. If Kow is scum then they're doing a better job replicating Town than they need to IMO.

I'm not completely sold on Kow being Town, I have an entire tinfoil team solve which includes Kow, it's just my tinfoil team solve though. If there is evidence in the thread that I got tricked or emotionally manipulated by Kow then that's one thing. Barring that, my intuition is that Kow is Town, and I trust my intuition...to an extent.

[Crescent]

i think you're reading too much into things

This is a scum mindset.

VOTE: Cephir

Frog's issues with my post could also be deemed "reading too much into things" but you agree enough with him to vote me for the same reason. Yet you want to tell someone else they're reading too much into things? This is made even more interesting that you find it okay to agree with Frog's reach but don't like someone that you claim is reaching, reaching against Frog.

i don't really get the focus on kow's vote tbh...

also don't think andante's response to it was scum indicative rather than just andante indicative though

Regarding Kow, my thoughts...

1. Why does town need to plan what they are going to do for RVS in the pregame?

2.

That’s entirely fair
I just had the idea in pregame so I figured I’d vocalize it immediately.

VOTE: andante

hi everyone

Yeah, actually, what specifically makes you park your rvs vote on me... could pick gamer, haschel, gamma, or penguin
yet you opted to join the vote on me. Please share why

I decided pre-game I would vote the first person voted, I'm not sorry it was you.

I think the justification of his RVS vote being "i decided pre-game" could have easily just been stolen from Gamma saying that she decided pregame to ask everyone to post a reads list. sort of "i'm getting pushed on my RVS vote, how do I explain it, i'll just say what Gamma said..."This is a bit of a reach but it did seem weird to me and worth pointing out.

Does this mean you also scum read Gamma for planning pregame or just me for doing it?

i feel like there are an immense amount of similarities between Kow's play in either game. I didn't bother to write them up earlier. I was curious if I could find anything now or I just imagined it, so I went back and within a few seconds I saw the above quote from the other game. You can see an example of just one way Kow is being consistent in the methods that he scum hunts from the above. I associate this same tell, which Kow is pointing out in two different games, with a user here named FrozenAngel. It's a legitimate way of scumhunting. If Kow is scum then they're doing a better job replicating Town than they need to IMO.

I'm not completely sold on Kow being Town, I have an entire tinfoil team solve which includes Kow, it's just my tinfoil team solve though. If there is evidence in the thread that I got tricked or emotionally manipulated by Kow then that's one thing. Barring that, my intuition is that Kow is Town, and I trust my intuition...to an extent.

The key difference I saw immediately was Kow felt more proactive that game instead of just snapping at specific people who were pressuring him early. He's also felt less fluid in this game. As I stated earlier, he made four consecutive posts that are effectively identical, all addressed to the same person, while other people were posting. I read his first 25 or so posts of that game and it doesn't feel similar like you're making it out to be. It doesn't mean he has to be scum, but I did want you to provide your reasoning.