In post 167, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill
And this.
Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo
Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.
what ur point?
My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.
In post 322, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.
Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.
This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.
Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.
In post 361, DragonEater70 wrote:
Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.
Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.
Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.
This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.
wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh
ill say town still
I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.
In post 409, Cephrir wrote:
Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater
It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?
The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.
In post 419, Cephrir wrote:
Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one
Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.
This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real
Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game
dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions
I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it
I voted Penguin since it's fun
fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town
I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill
Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.
Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.
In post 98, Gimli wrote:
you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?
u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.
For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.
This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.
A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.
Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.
In post 516, Firebringer wrote:
i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh
Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.
Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness
In post 519, Gimli wrote:
last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads
but ofc this time it can be NAI
You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?
It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site
Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...
You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase
I read through all that performance
I think it was towny
I don't wanna flip flea anymore
In post 569, Gimli wrote:
1. furtiveglance - idk scum?
2. Save The Dragons - idk
3. biancospino - town
4. Flea The Magician - town
5. KawaiiKame - town
6. Detective Penguin - town
7. Firebringer - town
8. Sail - town
9. Cephrir - idk
10. DragonEater70 - town
11. Gimli - town
12. NorwegianboyEE - idk
I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?
And we're back. No reasoning given.
In post 902, Gimli wrote:
flea is getting a disappointingly small amount of votes now
is anyone townreading any part of fae's reaction to my suspicion of faer?
anyway I'm ISOing sail now
The push begins.
In post 911, Gimli wrote:
when I wake up I'll revisit dragon eater and maybe firebringer. I might be clearing them for bad reasons.
I'll also think about this: the way flea is acting now is more or less likely to come from someone who wants to be townread and appease to people as scum, or is it scum irritated with the scumread and flailing, or is it a townie struggling to post cause fae hates d1s?
q's for tomorrow gnight thread
No elaboration ever given. Nothing I'm doing is set to appease town, given I'm a universial SR.
In post 912, biancospino wrote:
Fae's not even trying to look good or appeasing imho, so that's not (a). I think you're in a bit of a tunnel
fae was. fae's first few posts are definitely some sort of LAMIST posting. it's now just complaining about my SR and complaining about d1, and not doing anything else, which feels a bit like scum losing their ground in the game. ofc I could be wrong... are you townreading flea?
flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.
I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.
I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.
anyway good morning team
Second game considered, the game where Gimli replaced into a scum slot and lolcatted, didn't even participate in the game.
In post 927, Flea The Magician wrote:
Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.
of course I care, do you think I want to be wrong? I want to be right, I want to flip scum. if you're town town it up, start making good reads and townhunt.
you have me to bounce reads off of if you want. doesn't need to be in a hood. you didn't know nancy was town so what's the difference?
In post 932, Gimli wrote:
you think you don't have usable meta, clearly.
I'll dive into you
and sorry for using 'it', for some reason I didn't think I was using a pronoun or something. english is complicated.
Waiting on that dive, there's well over 50 games you get to cherry pick. The only tell I have is the effort I put in. Those who can read me and learned to inverse their reads on me for a true read.
In post 933, Gimli wrote:
you're making reads in all your town games
here it's like, IDEK what you're doing, but I don't see the reads. you're voting me cause I'm pushing you, okay, but when we talk it's not like you think I'm scum or anything.
who are you suspicious of? who are you townreading?
Anyone who knows me knows I don't give reads. Look at how I play, my reads are quite obviousl.
In post 944, Gimli wrote:
if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today
Sheep cycle begins. Strong Associative between Gimli and StD - StD being someone I'm happy enough with my read rate on. StD knowing I can be formiddable when I need to be.
In post 946, Gimli wrote:
I told you to post reads and you're like *personal stuff* which is fine but it's what you were doing in mutiny too and you were a wolf there
I don't even think I should interact with you anymore, I think we should just flip you and figure out what your d1 meant
if you start playing mafia and posting reads I'll read that
Almost like I have several chronic conditions that affect my day to day life and someone pissed me off by calling me fucking lazy.
Nice reframe though. That was aimed at Norwee, not you. You told me to post reads and I responded directly to you, instead you go for this.
Tell me Dwarf, what do you gain from flipping me? What associatives? What information?
I've been playing mafia from the start. And i'm still not posting reads for you, or for anyone.
In post 948, Flea The Magician wrote:
The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.
okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you
are they mafia?
OMGUS framing. Attempting to further depower my vote. Someones shakin in his boots.
Gimli's whole play today has been to get rid of me.
This is either scum scared that i'll lock down on this read because he did his research and knows when I'm hot I'm damned hot, or someone scarred by my wolf game.
In post 611, Save The Dragons wrote:
Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.
Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.
Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read
and faer kind of like "d1 d1" and it's like...not enough...and the defense is just pinging my scumdar.
This is it. This is all there is.
"I expect flea to do more"
What d'ya want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?
The catchup style is NAI, I've done it as both alignments. Music is my strength and my coping mechanism. It works its way into everything I do. Yes even at larp I'll be stood there shouting
In the hour of final judgement
All Father lead my way
When the fire of war reign
I will watch my brothers fall
Our names will be long forgotten
We live on forever
The victorious will rise to the glory of the gods
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
Is Flea actually scummy to you or null?
Null. We have two days left so it’s time to start consolidating. Don’t really want to yeet bianco and Ceph isn’t getting traction.
Null voter consolidating. Fair enough. I've been wagoned twice at this point I need to flip regardless. Fun fact, Gimli's behind both.
Leaving why the read aside. Whether or not Norwee is town has no bearing on the whereabout of Fire's sandwitch.
That particular vote was not serious and Flea said so faerself, so even if you somehow knew for certain that Norwee was town you are also making the argument that random joke votes to town are more likely than random to come from scum
It was Flea's only real bit of game-advancing content in faer entrance and I didn't like it
In post 587, furtiveglance wrote:
I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me
In post 961, Cephrir wrote:
Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std
Ceph's another weak D1 player and often eats the elimination for it. Meh, could go either way tbh.
TLDR - Whole lotta nothing. Both scum on this wagon.
Of them, who do you think are the likeliest two? I get Gimli is your top one, but of the others? You seem to exclude furtive and Penguin is "fair enough", so I presume you lean Cephrir or std?
I do agree that Gimli is taking this elimination hostage. But,
In post 984, Gimli wrote:
bianco feels like safe stancing too much
but like I don't wanna flip flea anymore I think this is too much to be scum so idk
but if you say this is all scum theatre probably then sure
In post 758, Gimli wrote:
I was townreading two slots with shaky reasoning. just by pointing at these slots again, I could see how that was precipitated and how they were both >rand scum.
bianco's and flea's posts afterwards are strengthening that read. of course, doing an associative read this early can be pretty bad,
but I don't think furtive goes 'gimli I'll make you see' about one of his scumbuddies that I'm townreading. so furtive is already at pretty low equity with these two slots.
if they're both town, then maybe furtive can be scum? sure, but I still get towny vibes off him, I still see what he saw re: those slots, so I'm pretty comfortable with writing him off as a townie.
I agree with the bolded, but it is clearly less appealing from my prospective. However, furtive noting that there being a SK lessens the utility of associatives is +t, since that note lessens the validity of your argument.
In post 742, Gimli wrote:
furtive/std townies and killing scum I think
(bianco, flea) should def contain at least one of them. from std it could be early bussing but I think furtive is just using his detective hat this game
Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1s in this way?
If one of me and flea should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the other is scum?
In post 167, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill
And this.
Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo
Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.
what ur point?
My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.
In post 322, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.
Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.
This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.
Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.
In post 361, DragonEater70 wrote:
Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.
Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.
Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.
This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.
wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh
ill say town still
I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.
In post 409, Cephrir wrote:
Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater
It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?
The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.
In post 419, Cephrir wrote:
Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one
Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.
This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real
Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game
dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions
I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it
I voted Penguin since it's fun
fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town
I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill
Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.
Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.
In post 98, Gimli wrote:
you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?
u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.
For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.
This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.
A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.
Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.
In post 516, Firebringer wrote:
i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh
Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.
Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness
In post 519, Gimli wrote:
last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads
but ofc this time it can be NAI
You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?
It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site
Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...
You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase
I read through all that performance
I think it was towny
I don't wanna flip flea anymore
In post 569, Gimli wrote:
1. furtiveglance - idk scum?
2. Save The Dragons - idk
3. biancospino - town
4. Flea The Magician - town
5. KawaiiKame - town
6. Detective Penguin - town
7. Firebringer - town
8. Sail - town
9. Cephrir - idk
10. DragonEater70 - town
11. Gimli - town
12. NorwegianboyEE - idk
I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?
And we're back. No reasoning given.
In post 902, Gimli wrote:
flea is getting a disappointingly small amount of votes now
is anyone townreading any part of fae's reaction to my suspicion of faer?
anyway I'm ISOing sail now
The push begins.
In post 911, Gimli wrote:
when I wake up I'll revisit dragon eater and maybe firebringer. I might be clearing them for bad reasons.
I'll also think about this: the way flea is acting now is more or less likely to come from someone who wants to be townread and appease to people as scum, or is it scum irritated with the scumread and flailing, or is it a townie struggling to post cause fae hates d1s?
q's for tomorrow gnight thread
No elaboration ever given. Nothing I'm doing is set to appease town, given I'm a universial SR.
In post 912, biancospino wrote:
Fae's not even trying to look good or appeasing imho, so that's not (a). I think you're in a bit of a tunnel
fae was. fae's first few posts are definitely some sort of LAMIST posting. it's now just complaining about my SR and complaining about d1, and not doing anything else, which feels a bit like scum losing their ground in the game. ofc I could be wrong... are you townreading flea?
flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.
I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.
I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.
anyway good morning team
Second game considered, the game where Gimli replaced into a scum slot and lolcatted, didn't even participate in the game.
In post 927, Flea The Magician wrote:
Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.
of course I care, do you think I want to be wrong? I want to be right, I want to flip scum. if you're town town it up, start making good reads and townhunt.
you have me to bounce reads off of if you want. doesn't need to be in a hood. you didn't know nancy was town so what's the difference?
In post 932, Gimli wrote:
you think you don't have usable meta, clearly.
I'll dive into you
and sorry for using 'it', for some reason I didn't think I was using a pronoun or something. english is complicated.
Waiting on that dive, there's well over 50 games you get to cherry pick. The only tell I have is the effort I put in. Those who can read me and learned to inverse their reads on me for a true read.
In post 933, Gimli wrote:
you're making reads in all your town games
here it's like, IDEK what you're doing, but I don't see the reads. you're voting me cause I'm pushing you, okay, but when we talk it's not like you think I'm scum or anything.
who are you suspicious of? who are you townreading?
Anyone who knows me knows I don't give reads. Look at how I play, my reads are quite obviousl.
In post 944, Gimli wrote:
if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today
Sheep cycle begins. Strong Associative between Gimli and StD - StD being someone I'm happy enough with my read rate on. StD knowing I can be formiddable when I need to be.
In post 946, Gimli wrote:
I told you to post reads and you're like *personal stuff* which is fine but it's what you were doing in mutiny too and you were a wolf there
I don't even think I should interact with you anymore, I think we should just flip you and figure out what your d1 meant
if you start playing mafia and posting reads I'll read that
Almost like I have several chronic conditions that affect my day to day life and someone pissed me off by calling me fucking lazy.
Nice reframe though. That was aimed at Norwee, not you. You told me to post reads and I responded directly to you, instead you go for this.
Tell me Dwarf, what do you gain from flipping me? What associatives? What information?
I've been playing mafia from the start. And i'm still not posting reads for you, or for anyone.
In post 948, Flea The Magician wrote:
The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.
okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you
are they mafia?
OMGUS framing. Attempting to further depower my vote. Someones shakin in his boots.
Gimli's whole play today has been to get rid of me.
This is either scum scared that i'll lock down on this read because he did his research and knows when I'm hot I'm damned hot, or someone scarred by my wolf game.
In post 611, Save The Dragons wrote:
Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.
Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.
Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read
and faer kind of like "d1 d1" and it's like...not enough...and the defense is just pinging my scumdar.
This is it. This is all there is.
"I expect flea to do more"
What d'ya want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?
The catchup style is NAI, I've done it as both alignments. Music is my strength and my coping mechanism. It works its way into everything I do. Yes even at larp I'll be stood there shouting
In the hour of final judgement
All Father lead my way
When the fire of war reign
I will watch my brothers fall
Our names will be long forgotten
We live on forever
The victorious will rise to the glory of the gods
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
Is Flea actually scummy to you or null?
Null. We have two days left so it’s time to start consolidating. Don’t really want to yeet bianco and Ceph isn’t getting traction.
Null voter consolidating. Fair enough. I've been wagoned twice at this point I need to flip regardless. Fun fact, Gimli's behind both.
Leaving why the read aside. Whether or not Norwee is town has no bearing on the whereabout of Fire's sandwitch.
That particular vote was not serious and Flea said so faerself, so even if you somehow knew for certain that Norwee was town you are also making the argument that random joke votes to town are more likely than random to come from scum
It was Flea's only real bit of game-advancing content in faer entrance and I didn't like it
In post 587, furtiveglance wrote:
I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me
In post 961, Cephrir wrote:
Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std
Ceph's another weak D1 player and often eats the elimination for it. Meh, could go either way tbh.
TLDR - Whole lotta nothing. Both scum on this wagon.
Of them, who do you think are the likeliest two? I get Gimli is your top one, but of the others? You seem to exclude furtive and Penguin is "fair enough", so I presume you lean Cephrir or std?
I do agree that Gimli is taking this elimination hostage. But,
In post 984, Gimli wrote:
bianco feels like safe stancing too much
but like I don't wanna flip flea anymore I think this is too much to be scum so idk
but if you say this is all scum theatre probably then sure
yeah. I don't think you're trying to solve any parts of this game. are you? i don't know your scumreads, your townreads or anything. cephrir is right about this kind of dead end question too. I hope you do something with it now and respond in a way that's meaningful.
This is a public reminder to be respectful and be mindful of rule 2.
In post 2, Alianna wrote:2. This is a game and it is supposed to be fun. Toxic and harmful behaviour will not be tolerated. This includes, but is not limited to:
- flaming, insulting, or directing personal attacks at other players
- use of slurs or derogatory language
- spamming
- excessive AtE
- excessive discussion of real life issues (a mention is fine, but this is not the place to go into detail)
- otherwise being a jerk or making the game unenjoyable for others
I townread Alianna.
Post #1000s Collected: 26
On hiatus from playing mafia.
I just implore you to not just speedchain a Flea lim tomorrow. It's possible I'm wrong and all, so if you find fae scummy whatever, but my gut says town quite strongly.
I also think there is a wolf in {Gimli, Cephrir, Dragon}, whatever. VOTE: Cephrir
In post 861, biancospino wrote:
Gimli wasn't the one pushing you initially, that was furtive.
There as been quite some back and forth on Gimli's part, I suppose that could have been simulated but I don't think so. I do have a pet tinfoil but I'll wait to see if anyone sees it
In post 167, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill
And this.
Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo
Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.
what ur point?
My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.
In post 322, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.
Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.
This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.
Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.
In post 361, DragonEater70 wrote:
Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.
Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.
Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:
In post 328, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.
thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.
This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.
wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh
ill say town still
I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.
In post 409, Cephrir wrote:
Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater
It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?
The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.
In post 419, Cephrir wrote:
Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one
Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.
This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real
Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game
dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions
I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it
I voted Penguin since it's fun
fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town
I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill
Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.
Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.
In post 98, Gimli wrote:
you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?
u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.
For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.
This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.
A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.
Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.
In post 516, Firebringer wrote:
i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh
Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.
Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness
In post 519, Gimli wrote:
last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads
but ofc this time it can be NAI
You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?
It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site
Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...
You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase
I read through all that performance
I think it was towny
I don't wanna flip flea anymore
In post 569, Gimli wrote:
1. furtiveglance - idk scum?
2. Save The Dragons - idk
3. biancospino - town
4. Flea The Magician - town
5. KawaiiKame - town
6. Detective Penguin - town
7. Firebringer - town
8. Sail - town
9. Cephrir - idk
10. DragonEater70 - town
11. Gimli - town
12. NorwegianboyEE - idk
I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?
And we're back. No reasoning given.
In post 902, Gimli wrote:
flea is getting a disappointingly small amount of votes now
is anyone townreading any part of fae's reaction to my suspicion of faer?
anyway I'm ISOing sail now
The push begins.
In post 911, Gimli wrote:
when I wake up I'll revisit dragon eater and maybe firebringer. I might be clearing them for bad reasons.
I'll also think about this: the way flea is acting now is more or less likely to come from someone who wants to be townread and appease to people as scum, or is it scum irritated with the scumread and flailing, or is it a townie struggling to post cause fae hates d1s?
q's for tomorrow gnight thread
No elaboration ever given. Nothing I'm doing is set to appease town, given I'm a universial SR.
In post 912, biancospino wrote:
Fae's not even trying to look good or appeasing imho, so that's not (a). I think you're in a bit of a tunnel
fae was. fae's first few posts are definitely some sort of LAMIST posting. it's now just complaining about my SR and complaining about d1, and not doing anything else, which feels a bit like scum losing their ground in the game. ofc I could be wrong... are you townreading flea?
flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.
I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.
I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.
anyway good morning team
Second game considered, the game where Gimli replaced into a scum slot and lolcatted, didn't even participate in the game.
In post 927, Flea The Magician wrote:
Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.
of course I care, do you think I want to be wrong? I want to be right, I want to flip scum. if you're town town it up, start making good reads and townhunt.
you have me to bounce reads off of if you want. doesn't need to be in a hood. you didn't know nancy was town so what's the difference?
In post 932, Gimli wrote:
you think you don't have usable meta, clearly.
I'll dive into you
and sorry for using 'it', for some reason I didn't think I was using a pronoun or something. english is complicated.
Waiting on that dive, there's well over 50 games you get to cherry pick. The only tell I have is the effort I put in. Those who can read me and learned to inverse their reads on me for a true read.
In post 933, Gimli wrote:
you're making reads in all your town games
here it's like, IDEK what you're doing, but I don't see the reads. you're voting me cause I'm pushing you, okay, but when we talk it's not like you think I'm scum or anything.
who are you suspicious of? who are you townreading?
Anyone who knows me knows I don't give reads. Look at how I play, my reads are quite obviousl.
In post 944, Gimli wrote:
if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today
Sheep cycle begins. Strong Associative between Gimli and StD - StD being someone I'm happy enough with my read rate on. StD knowing I can be formiddable when I need to be.
In post 946, Gimli wrote:
I told you to post reads and you're like *personal stuff* which is fine but it's what you were doing in mutiny too and you were a wolf there
I don't even think I should interact with you anymore, I think we should just flip you and figure out what your d1 meant
if you start playing mafia and posting reads I'll read that
Almost like I have several chronic conditions that affect my day to day life and someone pissed me off by calling me fucking lazy.
Nice reframe though. That was aimed at Norwee, not you. You told me to post reads and I responded directly to you, instead you go for this.
Tell me Dwarf, what do you gain from flipping me? What associatives? What information?
I've been playing mafia from the start. And i'm still not posting reads for you, or for anyone.
In post 948, Flea The Magician wrote:
The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.
okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you
are they mafia?
OMGUS framing. Attempting to further depower my vote. Someones shakin in his boots.
Gimli's whole play today has been to get rid of me.
This is either scum scared that i'll lock down on this read because he did his research and knows when I'm hot I'm damned hot, or someone scarred by my wolf game.
In post 611, Save The Dragons wrote:
Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.
Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.
Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read
and faer kind of like "d1 d1" and it's like...not enough...and the defense is just pinging my scumdar.
This is it. This is all there is.
"I expect flea to do more"
What d'ya want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?
The catchup style is NAI, I've done it as both alignments. Music is my strength and my coping mechanism. It works its way into everything I do. Yes even at larp I'll be stood there shouting
In the hour of final judgement
All Father lead my way
When the fire of war reign
I will watch my brothers fall
Our names will be long forgotten
We live on forever
The victorious will rise to the glory of the gods
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.
Is Flea actually scummy to you or null?
Null. We have two days left so it’s time to start consolidating. Don’t really want to yeet bianco and Ceph isn’t getting traction.
Null voter consolidating. Fair enough. I've been wagoned twice at this point I need to flip regardless. Fun fact, Gimli's behind both.
Leaving why the read aside. Whether or not Norwee is town has no bearing on the whereabout of Fire's sandwitch.
That particular vote was not serious and Flea said so faerself, so even if you somehow knew for certain that Norwee was town you are also making the argument that random joke votes to town are more likely than random to come from scum
It was Flea's only real bit of game-advancing content in faer entrance and I didn't like it
In post 587, furtiveglance wrote:
I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me
In post 961, Cephrir wrote:
Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std
Ceph's another weak D1 player and often eats the elimination for it. Meh, could go either way tbh.
TLDR - Whole lotta nothing. Both scum on this wagon.
Of them, who do you think are the likeliest two? I get Gimli is your top one, but of the others? You seem to exclude furtive and Penguin is "fair enough", so I presume you lean Cephrir or std?
I do agree that Gimli is taking this elimination hostage. But,
In post 984, Gimli wrote:
bianco feels like safe stancing too much
but like I don't wanna flip flea anymore I think this is too much to be scum so idk
but if you say this is all scum theatre probably then sure
you saying the incertainty here is a façade?
I assume you mean either of those. For the first one (and following posts), you'd be correct, I did not convene with faer interpretation of your and furtive's push. I still stand that fae was not correct in pointing at you as the chief pusher there, however I've since come to see that's it true that you quickly grew to be on the whole the greatest contributor in that direction. Now, in truth you recently going "but like I don't wanna flip flea anymore I think this is too much to be scum so idk" is a huge spanner on that, so I asked Flea whether or not fae believed it could be reconciliated with faer theory on the matter
In post 758, Gimli wrote:
I was townreading two slots with shaky reasoning. just by pointing at these slots again, I could see how that was precipitated and how they were both >rand scum.
bianco's and flea's posts afterwards are strengthening that read. of course, doing an associative read this early can be pretty bad,
but I don't think furtive goes 'gimli I'll make you see' about one of his scumbuddies that I'm townreading. so furtive is already at pretty low equity with these two slots.
if they're both town, then maybe furtive can be scum? sure, but I still get towny vibes off him, I still see what he saw re: those slots, so I'm pretty comfortable with writing him off as a townie.
I agree with the bolded, but it is clearly less appealing from my prospective. However, furtive noting that there being a SK lessens the utility of associatives is +t, since that note lessens the validity of your argument.
In post 742, Gimli wrote:
furtive/std townies and killing scum I think
(bianco, flea) should def contain at least one of them. from std it could be early bussing but I think furtive is just using his detective hat this game
Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1s in this way? If one of me and flea should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the other is scum?
In post 1018, biancospino wrote:
I just implore you to not just speedchain a Flea lim tomorrow. It's possible I'm wrong and all, so if you find fae scummy whatever, but my gut says town quite strongly.
I also think there is a wolf in {Gimli, Cephrir, Dragon}, whatever. VOTE: Cephrir
Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1v1s in this way? If one of me, gimli and dragon should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the others are scum?