Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

Sure I'll claim idc

I'm a Tracker

[Ydrasse]

who is treating it like a meme push/how?

pedit mm

[SirCakez]

I'm Fi who is a character from something I don't recognize, something GiF is a fan of no doubt

[SirCakez]

LLD actually try to talk to me I feel like this whole game you've just been like sitting on your lame scumread of me and not really trying to solve elsewhere

[SirCakez]

I am left adrift with no strong scum read now.

I feel like this reads transparently town

[SirCakez]

Like I've had that stuck feeling as town so many times before

[SirCakez]

While scum wouldn't feel that because they are just making shit up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD actually try to talk to me I feel like this whole game you've just been like sitting on your lame scumread of me and not really trying to solve elsewhere

talking is so boring killing you is so much more fun

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i can talk i guess lol

[SirCakez]

Okay but what is killing me here accomplishing? You know I am not going to survive to LyLo I will surely be limmed or vigged by then. Right now you aren't even giving me a chance to get going in this game you just decided I was scum from three posts and haven't really done anything else since. You're just going to waste a PR and be no closer to solving this game.

[SirCakez]

That's why I called it a lame read because it doesn't even feel like you're trying

[SirCakez]

What do you think about notscience this game?

[notscience]

I didn’t realize we could call throwaway comments pushes

Syry how does it feel to be pushed by me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What do you think about notscience this game?

i think you're scum

sorry what was the question

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my eyes are too lame to read it properly

[Lady Lambdadelta]

notty looks like notty to me, but that's fakable tbh

[SirCakez]

can we kill cakez, then when cakez flips scum kill Wavelength for that above string of posts?

Why do you think Wavelength is scum for those posts I thought those were pretty obviously town

[notscience]

Hey guys you’re stopping him from playing the game after he *checks notes* had to be brought to e-1 to play

Ninja
Lld looks like lld to me, but that’s fakeable

[SirCakez]

I do think Kilga could be scum reading back now fyi
A couple posts bothered me (like some ppl said) I'll pull them up

[notscience]

Cakeboy rap w me

Why did it take e-1 to make you play the game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey guys you’re stopping him from playing the game after he *checks notes* had to be brought to e-1 to play

Ninja
Lld looks like lld to me, but that’s fakeable

Yeah but ur the "transparent" one lmfao

[SirCakez]

To notscience - because I finally have free time today after having been busy with various things the last like week

[notscience]

Okay, so walk me through your scumread on me now

Post by post if you don’t mind, my ISO is short

[SirCakez]

You're all cowards for not putting cakez at E-1 on page 1

I considered doing it but was too worried someone else would have the same idea as me and whoever posted second would somehow miss that the first person posted.

Ydrasse said early on how whack and fake this post sounded and I 100% agree. That doesn't sound like a real thought at all.

UNVOTE: Ydrasse

Of all the presences in the thread so far, VOTE: Wavelength sticks in my mind the least by a fair amount.

Feels like !science is trying to push continued beginning-of-day-1 jokiness a little harder and a little longer than everyone else. Would be willing to vote there too.

This starts a really long and boring argument about what Kilga actually meant in this post and why they were voting someone who they called a lurker when they said they didn't want to vote lurkers. Which culminates in this:

Okay, I see where the disconnect is coming from now. Looks like it was a combination of thinking something was clearly implied when it actually wasn't and/or at least one good-ol'-fashioned ADHD Jump. I guess the best I can do is try to explain the overall thought process.

The stuff peta talks about in in the second paragraph of 105 is something that rings true for me as well empirically. I've been red in games where I've employed exactly that strategy near the end of the day, highlighting someone that isn't terribly relevant and hasn't done a whole lot and pushing them as the better bet ahead of whatever more-informative competing wagons are present at the time. I've been green in games where I saw other players employ exactly that strategy and called them Mafia for it and eventually turned out to be correct by the time all was said and done. It's something I always watch for because of the frequency with which it happens. (I don't know for sure if I need to state here that, in most cases, the main/arguably only worth in Day 1 wagons is looking at them on Day 2 with flip info in hand and analyzing who moved where and when, but just to be safe, there it is, and that's why distracting away from those wagons with a mad dash to a low volume/low presence slot at the very end is Red Behavior.)

But that's a lot of personal backstory and play philosophy that just got assumed and not vocalized, so.

Ultimately, that's where a lot of the top of 106 is coming from. The rest is coming from the idea that having a Late Day 1 vote for Early Day 1 reasons would be particularly worrying (to the point of being suspicious) because it implies the voter has seen nothing since Early Day 1 that's voteworthy by the end of Day 1. (This is part of the reason for my question in 117.)

So:

- Late Day 1 votes cast for people with low Day 1 post volume specifically because they have low Day 1 post volume (and independent of meaningful presence) = bad due to (a) denying wagon analysis info and (b) implying the voter can't make a meaningful case from the culmination of Day 1's content, toss it off the island
- Late Day 1 votes cast for people with low meaningful Day 1 presence specifically because they have low meaningful Day 1 presence = bad due to (a) and (b), toss it off the island
- Early Day 1 votes cast for people with low meaningful Day 1 presence specifically because they have low meaningful Day 1 presences = not ideal, but missing major problems (a) and (b) present in casting those same votes Late Day 1, plus Early Day 1 votes/cases suck by default anyway, plus any vote is better than no vote, ergo acceptable behavior (IMO) when lacking better options

I imagine even this is insufficient explanation but I needed to be in bed already so unfortunately I'm stopping here from now and picking up again tomorrow when able.

I mean come on. This is over explained to hell. When I read the original vote on Wavelength it feels pretty thrown off. I don't buy that all of this thought and strategizing went into Kilga's vote on Wavelength. It reads to me like Kilga is just way too concerned about not getting scumread for it.

Uh oh it's bedpost (lol get it) time

UNVOTE: Wavelength

Don't feel remotely comfortable leaving that there. The actual verbal posting comes across very much like a townie that feels they're on to something.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Looking back on it now, post 134's content and timing doesn't square at all with what appears to be a serious vote for me in 35. There was more to talk about regarding me by the time 134 rolled around - why not spend any time chiming in on it when you're already voting me?

And then they bail out on it and go for this Ydra vote which to me sounds like they had to dig back through the thread and find something else to scumread to keep up appearances and give them a reason to bail on Wavelength

[Wavelength]

I think that Cakez's last page of posts was markedly worse then the rest of the game, and I no longer have any qualms about killing him.