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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:55 am

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In post 1038, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 1024, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 1018, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 1015, MegAzumarill wrote: FMPOV there's very few scum pairings I think are likely where gimli is Kira, (Like kawaii/std as followers? Probably not kokichi/black/lorne/?HPE?, maybe mala ig)

They seem a bit.. unhinged? They felt very static earlier like a tunneled townie but it's harder for me to justify that as time is moving on.
Gimli + me = unhinged
std doesn't feel unhinged in my eyes, why std as a follower of Gimli? Feels interesting

Idek why Gimli will pursue me so hard being Kira as...Kira, why do you feel Gimli is my Kira if you believe I'm a follower? Do you feel I'd feign being Kira as a follower in place of a town?
I mean if you are are follower you would want to defend gimli, and he would have no way to know it is you?
Are you not defending gimli's case on you?
I am
Me too, but in a kira!gimli world it'd make us more likely to be aligned.
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Std Iso feels tonally town which is something but not much. Malakittens feels within range to be kira but I don't think it would end the game.
Kame Iso better on reread, still unsure exactly how to parse the slot. UNVOTE:
Vander feels -possibly- Kira by circumstance alone. Merits further looking into.

In general most people are above average towny so I'm having trouble trying to narrow down poe with a degree of confidence.
Imprefection is the spice of life.
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:56 am

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In post 1046, Gimli wrote: what about std, are you townreading him?
No, I think he's mostly been focusing on mala meta which I have no idea on.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:56 am

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In post 1048, Gimli wrote:
In post 1047, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1043, Gimli wrote: koki

std > mala, dont you think?
Is your case on StD that he's not adapting to Mala? Anything else?
have you townread anything he posted?
No, but I guess he's acting similar to haunted
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:57 am

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In post 1024, MegAzumarill wrote: I mean if you are are follower you would want to defend gimli, and he would have no way to know it is you?
Are you not defending gimli's case on you?

It's plausible imo, I don't really think it's reality.
I am defending since I feel it's genuinely town, I want to eliminate who I see as town so I can find Kira, I don't see Gimli as Kira, I was down to eliminate Gimli at one point when he was pursuing me but my mind changed as his mind changed on me...
I see why you see why you think I might be Gimli's follower, yeah,
What do you really think is reality? I want to eliminate Kira
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:57 am

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thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:57 am

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thats about std and to kokichi
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:58 am

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In post 836, Save The Dragons wrote: She could be scum, yes. I'm not sure, I just think town for now and want more data
For reference, I'm not locking her 100% town. She could be scum.

In mutiny, she hard defended my slot which made me think she was town, when she wasn't. Here I just don't think she's scumreading me but she's not defending me so she's playing differently in some regard.
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:01 pm

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In post 1053, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 1024, MegAzumarill wrote: I mean if you are are follower you would want to defend gimli, and he would have no way to know it is you?
Are you not defending gimli's case on you?

It's plausible imo, I don't really think it's reality.
I am defending since I feel it's genuinely town, I want to eliminate who I see as town so I can find Kira, I don't see Gimli as Kira, I was down to eliminate Gimli at one point when he was pursuing me but my mind changed as his mind changed on me...
I see why you see why you think I might be Gimli's follower, yeah,
What do you really think is reality? I want to eliminate Kira
To be honest, I'm not sure
It's a tough game
Gut says it's a slot not getting high attention (Std/Mala/Vander/HPE) But I townread most of that list to some degree
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:02 pm

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I think I'm getting convinced of the arguments against you, gimli. In addition I think you are possibly deliberately causing chaos to help mask who kira is. I think you're likely a follower. Which sucks because I want kira but I'm okay with red means dead for now
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:02 pm

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In post 951, Save The Dragons wrote: Starting to think gimlis 180 on kawaii could signify he's a follower to kawaii!kira but that seems rather risky

Gimli could be a Meg!kira follower too with his defense of Meg

I don't think Gimli being a follower to Kawaii is ever a thing.
Gimli doesn't know that Kawaii isn't going to just crumble under the pressure.
I think Kawaii gave a pretty good defence, but one I don't really think is AI, I think it's indicative of Kawaii realizing what a bad spot they're in and trying harder. But if Kawaii gives basically anything less than a strong defence, they're dying, in a large part due to Gimli.
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:03 pm

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In post 952, Black wrote: I would like some thoughts from players not named Gimli. Do we think this post could come from Kira or nah?
In post 60, MegAzumarill wrote:
Spoiler: For kira's eyes only

You should definitely swap with me so I can kill people with the death note tonight.
I known it seems silly but consider the following pros and cons.

Pros
- If I am VT, it frames me and you appear innocent.
If I am a Kira follower, I would kill a townie and you would be fine.
If I am a power role, I'm likely killing a townie instead of whatever I'm supposed to be doing.
The frame is permanent.
It would be funny.
Literally noone would believe you actually did this and I would likely be limmed tomorrow for claiming it happened, assuming I am town.
Cons
There is an incredibly low chance you die to your own Death Note, although this would be a funny outcome.
You don't choose who dies n1.


Pros seem to be outweighing the cons here.
And I got my fanciest pen <3
Yes, I think it's the kind of thing Meg could have thought of before seeing their role.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:03 pm

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In post 1049, Vanderscamp wrote: I don't think it's reasonable to assume that if you think Kira and the detective are going to play similarly, it follows that you should just start not hunting Kira for how you think Kira is going to play.
This is true, finding Kira takes primacy to potentially outing the Detective, it doesn't make sense to not pursue Kira just because Detective plays close to the same

I'm not liking how the post is swaying me either, I need to be confident in my own logic and not be persuaded to think out of it, logically you should pursue Kira independent of how the Detective is going to play
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:04 pm

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In post 1054, Gimli wrote: thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy
why wouldn't he? Why him in particular would he not see you scummy when others could?
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:05 pm

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In post 1059, Vanderscamp wrote: But if Kawaii gives basically anything less than a strong defence, they're dying, in a large part due to Gimli.
It was due or die, so I did, I needed to defend like that to survive as anyone, Idk if anyone else is seeing that
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:06 pm

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In post 1054, Gimli wrote: thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy
Who? std/koki? Why you so sure as townie he wouldn't think you being scummy?
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:06 pm

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In post 982, Kokichi Oma wrote: I see you're keeping up with voting everyone to make yourself seem not sure again.
This reads as fake
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:07 pm

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In post 1062, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1054, Gimli wrote: thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy
why wouldn't he? Why him in particular would he not see you scummy when others could?
He is good town

He's seem me play both roles quite extensively

I mean you can be town and on a tunnel, I'm sure you think your case is good but it's not and since my wagon picked up, I think std placed an opportunistic vote there
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:07 pm

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In post 1057, MegAzumarill wrote: Gut says it's a slot not getting high attention (Std/Mala/Vander/HPE) But I townread most of that list to some degree
Std/Mala is getting attention
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:08 pm

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In post 1066, Gimli wrote: I mean you can be town and on a tunnel, I'm sure you think your case is good but it's not and since my wagon picked up, I think std placed an opportunistic vote there
I did feel out the blue to me ye
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:08 pm

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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:08 pm

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In post 1065, Vanderscamp wrote:
In post 982, Kokichi Oma wrote: I see you're keeping up with voting everyone to make yourself seem not sure again.
This reads as fake
Then why didn't you say the first time I posted it was fake
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:09 pm

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In post 1003, Gimli wrote: the followers know who kira is

thats why i thought kokichi and black were your followers

i wouldn't attack you if im a follower of someone else's kira

like this is page 41 you still don't know this

game got too exasperating now...
Can you talk about why you wouldn't attack them if you were a follower of someone else's Kira?
I don't understand that.
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:09 pm

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In post 1066, Gimli wrote:
In post 1062, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1054, Gimli wrote: thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy
why wouldn't he? Why him in particular would he not see you scummy when others could?
He is good town

He's seem me play both roles quite extensively

I mean you can be town and on a tunnel, I'm sure you think your case is good but it's not and since my wagon picked up, I think std placed an opportunistic vote there
I'll look into how he placed it
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:09 pm

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In post 1071, Vanderscamp wrote:
In post 1003, Gimli wrote: the followers know who kira is

thats why i thought kokichi and black were your followers

i wouldn't attack you if im a follower of someone else's kira

like this is page 41 you still don't know this

game got too exasperating now...
Can you talk about why you wouldn't attack them if you were a follower of someone else's Kira?
I don't understand that.
Sorry that was word salad on my part, kawaii have me brain freeze
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:10 pm

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In post 998, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 977, Kokichi Oma wrote: Hmm. Do you think this is a way for follower Gimli to get us to second guess our Kira Meg talk right now?
Potentially yes, Black thinks the same
I'm not down to eliminate Gimli this day phase, it seems too convenient, like think logically, why pursue me being Kira so much if he believes I am Kira as a follower? That feels ultimately town to me
Wait I just realized what you said here

Is this legit a slip?

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