[OLD] Open Setup Discussion and Nominations

[Natirasha]

Maybe a Lynch? v.2

1x Governor-Godfather
2x Mafia Goons
2x Cops
4x Governors

[Lord Gurgi]

Maybe a Lynch? v.2

1x Governor-Godfather
2x Mafia Goons
2x Cops
4x Governors

Lynch anyone who pardons. The more governors stay hidden, the greater cop security. The more lynches that happen, the more information for town.

[OhGodMyLife]

Nominate Carbon-14

for another run. Its a sweet setup.

[militant]

...

Never Mind

[Natirasha]

Nominate Carbon-14

for another run. Its a sweet setup.

second

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

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Some feedback and criticism is certainly warranted for this setup.

This thread is meant for open setups. That means that, at the beginning of the game, this setup is known by all players.

When all players know this setup, all townies can immediately claim, exposing all four the mafiosi. That's why this setup is certainly broken, and not versatile at all.

Open setups are usually too favored for the town when there are a lot of different roles. It's usually best to include a lot of vanilla townies. For example, if you cut most power roles, you get:

3x Mafia Goon
3x Mason
6x Vanilla Townie

This is quite a balanced setup, it's called Friends and Enemies. It's balanced because a massclaim won't work in this setup. There are 6 vanilla townies. If all mafia goons claim vanilla townie, there's 3 mafia in a total of 9 players. The masons, on the other hand, are better off not claiming, because they will be nightkilled, and lose their advantage. When creating an open setup, always keep in mind what claims would do to the game. Open setups usually revolve around behavioral analysis, not around claims.

[militant]

Ah, thanks.

Okay, I will go back to the drawing board, please disregard my last idea

[Plum]

I'm also taking my first shot at making open setups.

Wouldn't You Like To Know? Mafia

(2) Miller-Masons
(2) Mafia-Masons
(2) Masons: 1 mafia, 1 town
(1) Cop
(1) Mafioso
(4) Vanilla Townies

Day Start?
All town-aligned masons get a normal mason PM - millers aren't told their status, though do flip town on death.
Only mason-scum can night talk. Before the first day starts the scum are randomly numbered 1-4 and the scum and the highest number alive sends in the NK.

So, does this get pwned by massclaim or not? Constructive criticism? Like I said, I'm a bit of a novice at this.

[Adel]

Nominate Carbon-14

for another run. Its a sweet setup.

second

what an odd run: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
21 calender days and six pages.

[farside22]

Nominate Carbon-14

for another run. Its a sweet setup.

second

what an odd run: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
21 calender days and six pages.

I was wondering about that too. I'm asking others how it went. I'm going to read the whole thing myself today. Amazed the town won with the cop lynched day 1.

[Adel]

so that was open 96.
Open 97, which was Lovers Mafia, lasted 7 calender days, and was 17 pages.

town won both games.

I think people like quick games.

[Lord Gurgi]

so that was open 96.
Open 97, which was Lovers Mafia, lasted 7 calender days, and was 17 pages.

town won both games.

I think people like quick games.

Is the town win percentage higher on average the quicker a game is?

[Adel]

Is the town win percentage higher on average the quicker a game is?

once you remove outliers like horribly failed scum gambits, and self-outing scum, nope. My feeling is that for 12 player games, ~20 pages is about the optimal length for town success. Less then that and there isn't enough information for an informed day 2 lynch, and more then that and rereading becomes too difficult, and people start forgetting what the facts of the case are. I'm not sure about 7 player games, since I haven't seen nearly as many.


I think that the better the signal:noise ratio, the better the odds of the town winning, and games are much shorter when they are free of spammy posts and wall of words battles and other forms of typing contests.

[popsofctown]

My first attempt:

Crazy Monkey Mafia:
1 Mafia
1 Loving Traitor (the scum-without-nightkill kind, dies if mafia dies)
1 Jester, NK immune
1 Jester's crazy monkey (wants the jester to die. i. e., Jester-traitor)
1 Role+Alliance sane cop (i. e., gets a full copy of the role PM for his investigative targets.
5 townies

If the jester wins, everyone else instantly loses. (except of course, his pet monkey)
In any indecisive endgames, the jester suicides after two no-NK no-lynch cycles.

The reason i was thinking it'd be a pretty good setup is that the traitor and monkey can claim cop, and yet the cop is quite powerful.
To tweak any one side's power, the options that would seem good is adding a roleblock to the mafia, or roleblock to the monkey, or doctoring to the monkey, or a cop head start.
"nice for a first try but no, pops?"

[Natirasha]

10-2 be damned.

2x Mafia Goons
1x Jailkeeper
9x Townies

[Lord Gurgi]

Supposedly Balanced

2 SK's
10 Townies

[Guardian]

Unbalanced

3 Mafia Goons
1 unNK able SK
8 Townies

[Lord Gurgi]

Tread Carefully

4 Mafia Goons
3 PGO's
5 Townies

Or should it be 2 PGO's and 6 Townies?

[Korts]

It should be two, I think. If a goon's lynched, the PGO's can claim and the game's broken because a) if there's more than three PGO's claimed, there's definite scum among them, and b) if only three PGO's claim, the town can only lose if they lynch all 5 vanillas before they lynch mafia.

[Adel]

Or should it be 2 PGO's and 6 Townies?

Nah, just make it bloody and swingy and quick. Give the mafia two kills, and a single member of the mafia can perform both kills each night. That way only 1 Goon can die each night, and it prevents the PGOs from claiming before endgame. Did I mention that it would make the game quicker? A lot of people like quick games. This would be a 12 player game that could be in lynch-or-lose on day 2, but only if the mafia played well and got lucky. It would take three or four days for the town to win, in most cases.

[farside22]

Tread Carefully

4 Mafia Goons
3 PGO's
5 Townies

Or should it be 2 PGO's and 6 Townies?

I can't imagine people wanting to play a game like this. The whole idea that if mafia hits the wrong person they are dead. Also 4 goons in a 12 player games seem a bit high.

[farside22]

My first attempt:

Crazy Monkey Mafia:
1 Mafia
1 Loving Traitor (the scum-without-nightkill kind, dies if mafia dies)
1 Jester, NK immune
1 Jester's crazy monkey (wants the jester to die. i. e., Jester-traitor)
1 Role+Alliance sane cop (i. e., gets a full copy of the role PM for his investigative targets.
5 townies

If the jester wins, everyone else instantly loses. (except of course, his pet monkey)
In any indecisive endgames, the jester suicides after two no-NK no-lynch cycles.

The reason i was thinking it'd be a pretty good setup is that the traitor and monkey can claim cop, and yet the cop is quite powerful.
To tweak any one side's power, the options that would seem good is adding a roleblock to the mafia, or roleblock to the monkey, or doctoring to the monkey, or a cop head start.
"nice for a first try but no, pops?"

Making the Jester NK immune is wrong. He wins if lynched so the town and the mafia will always loss this game.

[Lord Gurgi]

Tread Carefully

4 Mafia Goons
3 PGO's
5 Townies

Or should it be 2 PGO's and 6 Townies?

I can't imagine people wanting to play a game like this. The whole idea that if mafia hits the wrong person they are dead. Also 4 goons in a 12 player games seem a bit high.

Consider that I put more goons in

because

if they hit the wrong person they are dead.

For people who want to speed up the queue, speed up the games, and have fun:

Tread Carefully

4 Mafia Goons (Two Nightkills per night that can be performed by one person)
3 Paranoid Gun Owners
5 Townies

[Mr. Flay]

Question: Is the purpose of the Open Game Queue to move things along as fast as possible?

Be honest, please; I see an awful lot of

terrible

setups here those primary advantage seems to be that they can be played quickly, either to get around the months-long-game syndrome or the year-long-mod-queue in Mini Normal.

[Lord Gurgi]

You could just say you don't like it.