Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

[Flea The Magician]

Well this got deep quickly.
LLD, unleash the cringe. Its good seeing you be you <3

Hah spotify doing what it does best, "Delain - Your Body is a Battleground" just came on.

Music definitely has its power ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pink Ball

[Flea The Magician]

Nope, we have never played together

[Flea The Magician]

Me, on my way to find some bad guys



VOTE: Alisae

I think you're quackers on that one.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry about being weird last night.

Vote: Amici Curiae

I ain't accepting your apology for you being you <3

U n l e a s h
T h e
W e i r d

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: happy fur demon doing a recharge

[Flea The Magician]

I rarely do D1 tbh.
Unless I find a townie Incan work with quickly, hasnt been the case yet.

[Flea The Magician]

No love for my cat, shame on yall.

Also my vote is rvs.

[Flea The Magician]

Still no love for Beatrice, you're all monsters.

WEEEEEEK WEEEEKKKK

[Flea The Magician]

[Flea The Magician]

That's a guinea pig noise btw.

Also

[Flea The Magician]

You all come out to see that no one has died last night...

However, Kokichi Oma has mysteriously disappeared!

Do we think that these two things combine to mean that Kokichi is coming back?

The explicit "no one has died last night" feels different then "you don't get to see this flip"

SO mechanics I've seen on this...

Either Kokichi is back tomorrow, or they're back when we treat the kidnapper like Link treats pots - smash the rupees outta them

[Flea The Magician]

ooo 500!

[Flea The Magician]

D1 was pretty quick, once I'm hydrated (HAIL HYDRATE) I'll be going and looking back over the last few pages of it. Something there is a bit sus.

[Flea The Magician]

5 days, 15 hours, 44 minutes remain until day end

Was definitely a quick hammer... That's at the time of this post.

[Flea The Magician]

Amici voted for me when they were already destined to be eliminated. It was a survivalistic vote.

Kokichi and SAS, 2 votes, that's not a counterwagon.

With basically a week left? There is no destined to be yeet with a week left, on a wagon like that.

[Flea The Magician]

This wins.

Also no guinea pigs, for shame!

[Flea The Magician]

Wait, LLD claims a mask and you're also claiming one Alisae? What kind of mask?

[Flea The Magician]

Actually scratch that.
Im losing the plot

[Flea The Magician]

...

Oh boi. Stupid ideas are flying through my brain.

[Flea The Magician]

I need to hydrate, do some thinking, and then scum need to rip me. :3

[Flea The Magician]

Flea I think I still want to gut TR. If I had to say there was anyone that gave me a mask, it would probably be Flea cuz fae made a reference to the LoZ today in response to a post that was before I claimed the mask. I imagine fae won't like me outing faer like this but I think the village is happy if they're shot by wolves.

If it helps I havent had the gut SR ive bad on you previously and Im thinking your town.

Also so much for a crumb.
Kinda shot myself with that though somewhere above this post.

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly think Marashu will flip town here. The game state is heavily in favor of such.

This.

[Flea The Magician]

Its honestly not Alisae.

Ok so its been a while, Ive been against scum alisae twice and busted em twice.

Theres no power grab, theres no overwhelming controlling energy here

Alisae is town. I will lock that read.

LLD however is giving me scum with a distraction button vibe and I hate it as Ive busted people with that a few times too.

I dont think anyone is going to argue that this is definitely a different LLD to the formidable force were usually up against.

I wouldnt mind poking SAS a bit... But maybe when im awake and not at 1am when am in me pit

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly think Marashu will flip town here. The game state is heavily in favor of such.

This.

y

D1 was turbolim. Theres little to no pushback anywhere and when theres even a stone in the way (sorry ircher) theyre getting slammed by the steamroller.

Were not even half way in and weve squeezed Mara into a corner with no light or hope. Even if scum, that means we're getting nothing.

Look at the weird ass powers we have floating around. Youve got a mask of nope and a vig shot of making Thanos jealous.

LLD has a double vote.

I have other masks I can give out too and again, they pretty dang good.

Mara is that a TRUE claim on Heihei?

[Flea The Magician]

.

I have other masks I can give out too and again, they pretty dang good.

This is why I was confused about the mask thing btw. I was going to give LLD a different mask, but something didnt sit right with me.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh gods... Loading my laptop before I even tough any of this...

[Flea The Magician]

OK Not as bad as I thought.

I'm the Happy Mask Salesman, I have 3 masks... one now.

As far as I'm aware, acts like an invention. Masks can only be used once per night, and can't be traded once given.
I don't know if they're one shot items or permanent gifts.

Goron Mask - You ground pound and basically gain immunity to night actions.
Given to Alisae N1

Zora's Mask - Self watch. I still have this.

Bunny Hood - Fruit vendor - You become a bunny and get to visit someone. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SPECIFIES NO OTHER ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN.

[Flea The Magician]

OH and I have Here there be dragons the bunny hood last night.

[Flea The Magician]

Everyone needs to full claim,.including flavour.
There is a redirector.

[Flea The Magician]

So claim around the flavour? Like be smart.

Happy Mask Salesman -> Majoras Mask weirdo

[Flea The Magician]

So not very then, given you have the power to kill them and they're basically not our concern...

[Flea The Magician]

Everyone needs to full claim,.including flavour.
There is a redirector.

What makes you think this

My mask didn't go to its recipient.

[Flea The Magician]

Man playing against wolf LLD is so stressful cuz literally whenever I’m a villager i find myself in situations where I just want to hand the game to her on a sliver platter and want to trust her, and it’s not like she’s going to make it easy for me to kill her if she’s a wolf.

Like this why I imagine LLD would want to have me succ is because LLD can’t predict if I’ll wolfside or if I’ll just go along with what she wants me to do but still then why not succ wave?
Like if LLD is a wolf here, she did the steps necessary to come in and set up he worldview today

Anyway ya let’s wait, this is where I’m leaning now but I wonder if I’ll still feel this way later.

skimming up somewhere, this is a mood.
LLD is an absolute force to be reckoned with.

And yet despite all this, there's something not quite sitting right with me. And its something I'll need to look over. I know LLD's scum range is better than mine - and mine doesn't exist.

[Flea The Magician]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

Speaking of, I want my target to claim, unless I already missed it.

[Flea The Magician]

FYI, when you consider which of these two powers is scum vs. town

The power to SECRETLY MAKE SOMEONE HATED

vs

THE POWER TO PUBLICLY DOUBLE VOTE.

The power to SEND AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE WITHOUT DYING

vs

THE POWER TO HAVE A MESSAGE ONCE YOU DIE.

in both cases, my power is the town version of SAS.

Ooooh we takin the spicy approach :3

AIGHT MECH SPEC on an inherently kinda bastard balanced setup...

Spoiler: DA CLAIMS

anyway my flavour is Me, Lady LambdaDelta, like the Mafia player not the Umineko character.

So my abilities are
Cat- You can post Meow and Cakez must post a cat picture.
In A Rage- You can Claw:X and put an extra vote on that person once per day.
Rise of the Phoenix- You have a will you can update at any time and will post upon your death, max 250 words
Animal Farm- You're an animal so you get the animal neighbourhood.

That's the role PM.

my flavor is Stephen A Smith - I host a popular show on ESPN

at night I can call someone's play blasphemous and this causes them to be hated the next day - this doesnt work at elo

i can also send a 250 word message to someone or post a 250 word message at the start of the day

So first thing I'm going to do, is make sure the claim matches the flavour...
LLD is a giant cat, cute, adorable, will kill you. the "will" mechanic fits more a Swansong than a Rise of the Phoenix imo but eh, the flavour matches, LLD is a phoenix, location or title was "formerly in a rage" or something so all the flavour fits, and does what I'd expect.

Stephen A Smith, I have no clue about. TO DA GOOGLES.
Yeah one of the first things that comes up is the Blasphemy meme. Sports caster makes sense he gets to do an announcement kinda deal. Kewl.

Looking at play... see I know who's behind SAS and I know they know what I'm thinking with LLD here if I'm going to cast any doubts there.

And thats the "meow" thing.

It's thread filler, it's fluff and all it serves to do is to actively demoralise people because there's going to be PAGES of random cat photos.
It's a distraction, you get demoralised by going "Oh no there's PAAAGES" then when you read through and discover a load of cat pics its a distraction from the game.
This is a scum power. It's attacking the psychological aspect of town. It makes going back to find posts harder too because there's a greater pool of literal fluff to work through.

The power to SECRETLY MAKE SOMEONE HATED

vs

THE POWER TO PUBLICLY DOUBLE VOTE.

Its not a secret, and its locked in at day start. Yours is flexible. I find that more towards a scum power.

The power to SEND AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE WITHOUT DYING

vs

THE POWER TO HAVE A MESSAGE ONCE YOU DIE.

Neutral, honestly.
Neither side gains any benefit from this.
Unless somehow SAS is able to fake your deathcry in which case having not done that I'm more inclined towards SAS town.

Don't get me wrong, I love fun bouncy LLD, but I'm starting to think you're scum here.

[Flea The Magician]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

Speaking of, I want my target to claim, unless I already missed it.

Wave claimed already

Awesome will go back and find it.

[Flea The Magician]

you continue to use emotionally charged language to mischaracterize my play I hope the town can see past that

This is the other thing I've noticed.

LLD is always quick to call out emotionally manipulative play, loopholes and such that players leave, its why I hate rolling scum against her, I know she will find me somehow.

SAS is well within normal play, there's definitely a few pointed comments, there's a few times I can feel da rage kicking in. But it's directed and its pointed.

LLD has gone outright "Motherfucker" at one point, and the emotion isn't as contained as I would expect, even from a fun happy LLD and ironically a post she made about "this is where SAS spams the game to save himself" feels like it's more self-reflective at this point.
Everything Stephen has said is accurate. Yes the best scum hide behind the truth - LLD has also been truthful but there are sections which are slightly exaggerated and I'm not sure I'm over fond of this.

[Flea The Magician]

LLD if u answered why it’s impossible for 3 animals to be in a hood with 2 town I missed it

Mechanics, Ali.

There's never 3 scum in a hood.

Hoods can be entirely scum, I've been in at least 2 games where this has been the case.

[Flea The Magician]

Okay, I had originally planned on hiding it, because it become super weak if I out it, but thinking on it more, I don't think that I ever make it to tomorrow anyways, so it doesn't matter.

Flea also gave me their third mask (unless this was somehow redirected again, which would be ???). Which is also helping prop up my fea read

Yeah I wasn't redirected last night in that case. I gave Wavelength a Zora's Mask

[Flea The Magician]

Oh cool.

I reserve hammer.

I need to read the wall but I've been brain blocked so I'm going to go get something to eat and drink and will return soon.

Hammer is a scum claim.

[Flea The Magician]

I read the wall...

Alisae is locktown. A rare honour from me

[Flea The Magician]

(Not hammering either to let Wave and Flea read and to keep demonstrating that even if the previous hammers were scummy, they don't correlate)

So putting your foot in your mouth quite iterally then?

[Flea The Magician]

"Ah you have equated my hammers to my being scummy! Therefore witness as I do NOT hammer and therefore am not a scummerbutt!"

[Flea The Magician]

Looked it on Google and says that it's something I shouldn't have said 'cause I embarassed someone else?

... I used the wrong phrase. the heck phrase was I thinking of....

note to self: Don't autism and turn of phrase

[Flea The Magician]

Please Flea and Enchant don’t do anything stupid

I would say I didn't realise I was holding up a mirror... but I'm pretty sure this is kingmaker.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm also sure you're 3p

[Flea The Magician]

I’m in a world were either Flea or you is the remaining scum, yes. Your vote on me is damning but I’m not convinced, I started the day thinking it was Flea

Would love for you to expand on why me?

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea, given the facts:

1) The game is currently still happening, and
2) Enchant has claimed that they tried to use their blasphemous ability, and it failed

There are only 2 possible worlds that we live in.

A) We are currently at 2:1:1, and since there is a third party that lives here, it is pink ball. OR
B) We are at 3:1, and Enchant is lying about his blasphemous ability.

That is it.

Those are the only two possible mechanical worlds at this point. However, I don't think that I am ever voting Enchant this day phase, because I am convinced that Pink Ball is third party.

Pinkball is trying to claim that he is town, and that I am scum, which is not a possible world for us, because either the game would be over because me+you/enchant are at parity, and the game would be over, or it is just me, and enchant's blasphemous ability should be on.

Pink ball is once again, just calling me scum, because he needs people to not listen to me.

Gotta love a direct appeal.
I can't win here, as I see it.
So I get kingmaker.
Honestly, for those awful hammers PB doesn't deserve the win and absolutely should've been yeet long before LLD and ngl I'm miffed about that.

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly no-lim is the correct town play here so far as I'm bothered. PB doesn't know who last maf is, last maf is absolutely going to shoot PB

Convince me otherwise if you can.

[Flea The Magician]

Im genuinely thinking Wavey is the last scum

[Flea The Magician]

Tell me I'm wrong at least before yeeting the emotional appeals at me

[Flea The Magician]

Part of the defeatism of 1990 was that I had already felt frustrated that Pinkball and Enchant were both arguing against what I think is objectively the right move (with very faulty arguments imo), but I had told myself that it was silly to get mad at them for playing to their win cons, and that is why I reached out to you.

But you also came back saying that we should not listen to me again today, and even have me down as scum, and.. yeah.

Again, less of the emotional spearing.

I haven't said I'm not going to listen, I'm freaking clueless. I'm going on mechanics and probably getting kirby'd tonight.

[Flea The Magician]

no, theyre gone from the game

thinking I'm scum is freaking hilarious. You're still not winning.

I either hammer you, or no elim. simple.

If I'm scum I just kill you overnight tbh

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is PB I'm the one hardblocking your win from all perspectives, you arent winning here while I'm up.

Maf needs to take you down too for their win.


soooo.... Good luck?

VOTE: NO Elimination.

And yes, yes it is hilarious. Because you need the elimination which means you need scum to side with you for the Enchant lolhammer to happen.

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is PB I'm the one hardblocking your win from all perspectives, you arent winning here while I'm up.

Maf needs to take you down too for their win.


soooo.... Good luck?

VOTE: NO Elimination.

And yes, yes it is hilarious. Because you need the elimination which means you need scum to side with you for the Enchant lolhammer to happen.

I only need the elimination if you’re the remaining scum so I’m going for that, yes. That’s why I said that even if I can’t get you eliminated, I can still win siding with you. A no elimination with you being the remaining scum means I get redirected; if I target anyone, I’d have to kill Ali or Kokichi, then I die from your nightkill and you win, so if we don’t eliminate, I don’t target anyone, you kill me and start the next day just like this one, but without me.

If that’s the route you want to take, so be it.

I lose either way honestly. I just don't want you to win after those awful hammers.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and as SK you cant townside.

So ya know, i can absolutely fulfil that promise that i won't kill or redirect you.

Because I dont have that power.

[Flea The Magician]

Then its a deadlock basically unless town sincerely believes Im scum.

4 alive makes no elim the winning option.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchant use your head, honestly if you're town you know I make sense.

Wave I think I'm going to owe you an apology soon.

[Flea The Magician]

I've lost either way enchant and youve said you're 3p siding, so ya know.

Flea out.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh I'm 'nilla at this point. I gave my masks out.

[Flea The Magician]

Like, I feel like arguing that we kill Pinkball is the only way to play to a potential win con.

But also, you (enchant) seem like you are not even reading most of the posts of this game.

And Flea has also not engaged with me when I asked a few times why they even think that No Elim is good here.

I have also not really sat down and truly figured out if it makes sense for scum to be willing to compromise on killing pink ball > no elim here? I should probably think it through from that PoV too.

Flea vanished from the game long ago and it's honestly prodging at this point.

Pinkball HAS to shoot mafia, mafia HAS to shoot pinkball.

Its not kingmaker, it's hostage taker and the only route for town win.

Pinkball shoot mafia, mafia go bye bye, tomorrow is 2vs1 ez win. I don't believe they come back.

Pinkball misses, dies to Mafia, mafia wins.

Today isn't kingmaker.

[Flea The Magician]

I mean I havent read tbh, i just went to last page and skimmed.

[Flea The Magician]

cool, stalemate.

Chickens.

VOTE: No-Elim.

[Flea The Magician]

It was optimal.
I will stand by that.

The 3p cannot win, two of us are town, 1 of us is mafia.

Annoyingly my play means absolute jack in this situation as theres literally as much scum potential as town motivation for it.

And youre both scummy af.

[Flea The Magician]

Yes enchant, Im absolutely joking.

My options being the redirector target of my hinted powerful inventions

Or the person who has consistently said "IM SK SIDING" who also notably hasnt voted yet.

Or perhaps do you mean that my play thus far means jack?

[Flea The Magician]

Nice extrapolation and shifting of context.

I haven't said you're mafia, so I can't insist you're mafia.

I said you're scummy af - and I don't like any of this.

Mafia don't win with the SK, the SK's wincon doesn't allow it.
Mafia would have lost, as I was saying all the way through pretty much given ya know, PB wasn't a survivor.

[Flea The Magician]

You first if you're so confident.

[Flea The Magician]

I hate that the select text and click to quote doesn't work on my browser.

PB's wincon...

Pink Ball has been eliminated day 7! He was

The Dream Kid

You win once all other players are dead or trapped in the Dream Dimension, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

All other players are dead or trapped.
It's a solo wincon, cannot win with mafia.

Just in case you missed it...

"You win once the Mafia is the only faction alive, or nothing can prevent this from happening."

Anyway, irrelevant at this point.

I don't trust you, I don't wave. I ain't voting.

[Flea The Magician]

Well that makes life easier.

VOTE: Wavelength

cba reading because frankly I reckon it's all a load of crap.

[Flea The Magician]

btw if I'm scum and I've been eaten, how do i shoot pinkball, exactly? Considering I'm removed from the game.

[Flea The Magician]

Pinkball lied about a lot. And I saw straight through a lot of it.

Players who were eaten were removed from the game. It's a kidnapping.
Kidnapped players were removed from the living players list, and weren't allowed to interact with the game except in pinky's pt. That includes day and and night actions, masonrys, neighbourhoods, any PT at all that I'd have access to. I know mafia could not shoot from inside pinkball.

Admittedly the role PM doesn't tell pinky that. I've trimmed it down as much as possible.

-

Endless Dreams

- Each night, you may visit another player and pull them into your endless Dream Dimension PT with you. They will not die or flip, but will disappear from the game thread and not be listed any more in the OP, votecounts or anywhere else.

Cakez wording isn't always the best, as we've learned. Reading it as it is, I would no longer be listed in the game

anywhere

- including any PT's I may be in. I can extrapolate all day, I'll let you come to your thinking on this. You're usually good with mech.

[Flea The Magician]

Sure.

I am the Happy Mask Salesman. Basically a 3 shot inventor. I give someone a mask while I have them.

Goron Mask, Given to Alisae N1. Turned em into a Goron, e did a ground pound and became asetic. (All actions targeting em would fail.)

Bunny Hood, Given to Here there be Dragons N2 but ended up in Wavelengths hands. Become a bunny for the night, no other actions can be taken while in bunny form. You can visit someone and let them know they have a bunny visitor.

Zora's Mask, Given to Wavelength N3 because apparently I had a failing of logic. Become FEESH and hide underwater, seeing who decides to visit you that night.

[Flea The Magician]

Goron - 1 night Ascetic
Bunny - Fruit vender
Zora - Self Watch.

I don't recall Wave ever using the Zora one, weirdly...

[Flea The Magician]

quickie search also says the bunny hood hasn't been used.

[Flea The Magician]

Weirdly I didn't get a visit...

Wonder if thats because I was removed from the game...

[Flea The Magician]

More on what I could/couldnt do when eaten

[Flea The Magician]

Which is probably a frame attempt actually...

[Flea The Magician]

Stop revving your engine then.

Im just here twiddling my thumbs waiting for enchant to hammer the game. Ive given the information I have, I cant do anymore. Enchant needs to work it out from here.

[Flea The Magician]

You made a case?
Amazing.
I'll probably read tomorrow then

[Flea The Magician]

Meanwhile, Flea knows Enchant can actually apply mechanically to this and knows that Enchant knows scumranges can vary.

While I'm rarely out of mine and there's nothing to clear me, I've done all I can, and I'm certainly not going to drag up posts about how right/wrong i am because scum can yeet their own and can theatre their blows on each other

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah but then Kokichi would also be alive.

[Flea The Magician]

Shame I didn't get the Keeton mask. Just throw riddles at people for prizes.

[Flea The Magician]

Anyone else find it satisfying how the screenshot blends into mafBlack almost seamlessly?

[Flea The Magician]

Thanks for modding this Cakez <3 and GG all.

PB should have been yeet way way sooner I hate final 3 so dang much...

[Flea The Magician]

Feeling the love here XD