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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:28 am

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In post 746, Black wrote:
In post 740, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one doesn't think it wants a Black elim anymore, and it's not very sure about voting like, Python or Drew either at the moment. But its pretty sure that it'd like to elim furtive who really is not playing like he normally would in its opinion.
Unfortunately this type of play is well within furtive's townrange now. I'm not trying to sway you away from voting him but I don't think I'll be joining you. This behavior is NAI for him
Is it in his scumrange? Not really sure, never seen it. Is it in his townrange? This one would say No, god no. Even a cursory skim will paying attention to the post numbers will inform you that this isn't much like these two town games of his where he actually makes conversation and multiple posts in a short span, or otherwise just yknow NOT waiting hundreds of posts to put a vote with the equivalent of "yeah kinda sus" and nothing else. Again, this one has never seen scum!Furtive to date, but it has to wonder if that's what it's seeing here today.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:29 am

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EBWOP: while paying attention
lame ass typos making my messages less cool and insightful...
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:29 am

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In post 746, Black wrote:
In post 740, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one doesn't think it wants a Black elim anymore, and it's not very sure about voting like, Python or Drew either at the moment. But its pretty sure that it'd like to elim furtive who really is not playing like he normally would in its opinion.
Unfortunately this type of play is well within furtive's townrange now. I'm not trying to sway you away from voting him but I don't think I'll be joining you. This behavior is NAI for him
Which game btw?

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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:29 am

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But overall Furtive is giving me the heebie-jeebies and so this one is parking on him for the time being.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:33 am

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In post 752, usesPython wrote: Which game btw?
The last few in-game days of Hollow Knight. I'm on mobile one sec and I'll grab the link
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:34 am

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viewtopic.php?t=90425

You can iso furtive here and see how his town play just kinda degrades into nothing towards the end
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:34 am

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@HPE - I'll take a look at that first link you sent because it's pretty recent, but the 2nd one was from last year so I'm not sure what his meta was like then

Also I have no clue what furtive's scum game is like
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 am

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In post 755, Black wrote: viewtopic.php?t=90425

You can iso furtive here and see how his town play just kinda degrades into nothing towards the end
That's towards the end. We're still on Day 1 here.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 am

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In post 750, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Is it in his scumrange? Not really sure, never seen it.
This was a game with furtive as scum (well, ghoul)
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90328&user_select%5B%5D=36433

It's clearly not very reminescent at all of this game's furtive
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:36 am

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In post 756, Black wrote: @HPE - I'll take a look at that first link you sent because it's pretty recent, but the 2nd one was from last year so I'm not sure what his meta was like then

Also I have no clue what furtive's scum game is like
"Last year" is technically correct in the most pointless way when it's a game that started in December and ended in February.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:36 am

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In post 757, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 755, Black wrote: viewtopic.php?t=90425

You can iso furtive here and see how his town play just kinda degrades into nothing towards the end
That's towards the end. We're still on Day 1 here.
Yeah, true. Furtive seems like the kind of player that doesn't participate much unless he's interested. He could be scum here for sure but I'm not sure I'm willing to toss out the possibility of him being disinterested

Either way I think your pressure is good
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:37 am

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In post 759, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 756, Black wrote: @HPE - I'll take a look at that first link you sent because it's pretty recent, but the 2nd one was from last year so I'm not sure what his meta was like then

Also I have no clue what furtive's scum game is like
"Last year" is technically correct in the most pointless way when it's a game that started in December and ended in February.
I'm sorry, I didn't even look at when it ended. I opened it and saw a post from December and thought the recent furtive meta I'm talking about probably doesn't apply there
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:40 am

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But like, yeah furtive could very well just be disinterested in the game more than anything, but this one just
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like the vibe its getting. It'll have to read the HV ISO later to get a picture of his scum game and evaluate what to do from there.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:43 am

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I'm getting the vibe that furtive is kinda over mafia or something. He's been in two LyLo situations very recently (a Newbie game and HK) and lost the game for town both times. And in both post games he kinda seemed visibility upset with himself and at one point I'm pretty sure he mentioned taking a break

This doesn't mean furtive is town but knowing the recent furtive lore has made me doubt if this type of play is AI from him
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:44 am

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Furtive played more or less the same way as this in turf war and was town, and has cited the exact same thing that Black just posted
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:44 am

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Or if not the exact same thing, something along those very lines
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:45 am

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And yeah I realize this gives me fishy associatives with furtive if he is scum here but I feel like this information can be useful in determining his alignment
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:45 am

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In post 748, biancospino wrote:
In post 734, usesPython wrote: Also we need to be limming the same groupscum today and tomorrow, can the people doing individual scumhunting start looking into what partners make sense with their scumreads and focus on solving for pairs?

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I know I've said I would stop talking mech, but this is just kind of egregious. Like you know full well that X/2 has a worse EV than X/1/1, you don't even have to run the number yourself, you can just check the EV project on the wiki (and in fact X/1/1 in this game is even more advantageous to town than montaneous since scum may waste their kill). Why the need to lie?
Actually I should probably just go over for the rest of the thread how town has won historically:
  • Open 30: Fire Mafia lim d1/d2 into Ice Mafia lim d3/d4
  • Open 256: Only town lims until it got to Doc/VT/VT vs 2 Ice Mafia vs 2 Fire Mafia where there were two no-kills in a row into a doc protect as well as no mislims
  • Open 309: Major mod error involving Fire Mafia shooting Ice Mafia when both Fire Mafia were dead
  • Open 498: Fire Mafia lim d1 into Ice Mafia kill n1, ended at a 1v1v1 with both scum cross-killing for some reason instead of just taking the draw
  • Open 522: For some reason Fire Mafia got endgamed when it was Fire Mafia vs 3 Town? No idea why
  • Open 546: Only town lims until it got to 3/2/2 with no doc, Fire maf lim into Ice mafia + Town getting shot brought it to 2/1/1 and then town got limmed and both scum crosskilled
  • Open 616: Ice Mafia shot n1, Fire mafia limmed d3, then a crosskill in a 2/1/1
In other words, if we don't lim same scum then we're pretty much entirely relying on scum cross-killing, no-killing multiple times, or major mod error to win here

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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:46 am

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I also really don’t like Python acting like its set in stone their the d2 elim, like there’s a lot that can happen between now and that point and it feels very weird just being so defeatist over it?
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:49 am

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In post 768, Oclaxian Empire wrote: I also really don’t like Python acting like its set in stone their the d2 elim, like there’s a lot that can happen between now and that point and it feels very weird just being so defeatist over it?
We've put in like 3 times the effort that the average player has and all it got us is a wagon on us and people like Osuka calling our posts shit, yeah we're pretty defeated alright

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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:50 am

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In post 769, usesPython wrote:
In post 768, Oclaxian Empire wrote: I also really don’t like Python acting like its set in stone their the d2 elim, like there’s a lot that can happen between now and that point and it feels very weird just being so defeatist over it?
We've put in like 3 times the effort that the average player has and all it got us is a wagon on us and people like Osuka calling our posts shit, yeah we're pretty defeated alright

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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 770, Black wrote: Wolves put in effort too, and not all of your effort has seemed town motivated

Effort doesn't keep you in the game
Oclax was being weirded out that we're so defeatist, I'm kinda at the point where I just wanna hammer myself and let town take the L

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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 766, Black wrote: And yeah I realize this gives me fishy associatives with furtive if he is scum here but I feel like this information can be useful in determining his alignment
Scum don't know how to treat their non-buddies in multiball...lol

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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 771, usesPython wrote:
In post 770, Black wrote: Wolves put in effort too, and not all of your effort has seemed town motivated

Effort doesn't keep you in the game
Oclax was being weirded out that we're so defeatist, I'm kinda at the point where I just wanna hammer myself and let town take the L

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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 am

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Cause if we're losing it'll be in spite of our play and not because of it

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