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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:47 pm

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xyzzy (1): Mislim Bait
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With 6 alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 28, Midnight US Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-27 21:00:00)


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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:59 pm

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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:44 pm

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Actually I'll decide against using it for now. Since i'm not really sure who is scum here.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:44 pm

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peta who is scum, you didn't answer
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pm

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UNVOTE: xyzzy

Honestly xyzzy is almost cleared I might've been tempted if we're not 1 elim away from elo because of the bad miller claim
Petapan is almost always town with the way he pushed for porkens
I thought aureal is town because of mafia interactions but she also claimed to JK xyzzy which saved them if they're town

So left with kokichi penguin and me

I'm not sure if everyone agree but if you got dayvig penguin shot is good
if they flip scum good
if they flip town we elim you :]
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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:13 am

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We should no vote today

VOTE: No elim
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:27 am

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In post 1578, Kokichi Oma wrote: peta who is scum, you didn't answer
i was going to say i thought it might be aureal but that was before i saw the fullclaim
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:27 am

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kokichi is very obviously the counterpart to wavelength's role
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:30 am

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In post 1568, Aureal wrote: I didn't target anyone night 2 because I was saving my shots for a more useful opportunity. I'm a JOAT with multiple flavors of protective. I used a Bodyguard shot on Black. Hence my worry about Alisae being a vig. As it turns out, she was, but of a kind that gets a special phase of its own so it can ignore protective night actions. :neutral:
this is a really weird claim to me because i would assume a bodyguard would not affect venge though i don't know why aureal would lie about it

while i think there's definitely protectives in the game since mafia could give themselves a strongman, penguin's role seems kind of weak
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:31 am

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i thought what was suspect was that even though porkens spent most of the game pushing aureal for no reason aureal didn't really push back on him that much

but it might just be penguin gimme a minute
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:40 am

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In post 64, hebichan wrote:
In post 61, GreyICE wrote:
In post 59, hebichan wrote: I guess that's fair.
You’re calling breaking up the coalition fair?

You sure it’s not because penguin doesn’t want to vote his scum buddy rogue?

Vote:Penguin


Two scum caught, page 3
If you think rogue is scum with penguin just stick on the wagon with us. Don't split on penguin.
In post 280, Porkens wrote: PenguinPower's vote on rogue is puzzling to me combined with the question in 97/220
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In post 1083, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1050, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1048, Porkens wrote:
In post 1007, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: And yes, in advance, I'm a raging bitch. It's okay.

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But can’t talk about ongoing game, so…

VOTE: rogue I don’t totally see it but I trust you
I know I said I think wave is less scummy now, but I would still like an answer
In post 1028, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 899, Porkens wrote: I’m not feeling wave scum at all.

On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.
Oh...ok, why is wave not scum?
What do you care?
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:41 am

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aureal's claim is more detailed which makes me think less likely to be fabricated given the roles in the setup. a single 1-shot doc seems too weak. penguin's posts are weaker than i thought. most likely i'm alive because i was misclearing someone.

VOTE: penguin
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:05 am

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I really need you to explain in depth why you've cleared MB and Kokichi, petapan. I asked earlier and you never elaborated- I really don't follow how there being a mafia roleblocker clears MB. I don't see how Kokichi's role is obvious let alone that it must be town. While I agree that Penguin's roleclaim is weak, we really need this stuff spelled out if it's true and we end up in MELO.
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:13 am

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This is why we need to no vote today
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:11 pm

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xyzzy and PenguinPower have been prodded.
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:02 pm

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hello. Kokichi, while I'd really like actual confirmation of your role, barring that, can you go into some detail about the flavor?
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:39 pm

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In post 1587, Aureal wrote: I really need you to explain in depth why you've cleared MB and Kokichi, petapan. I asked earlier and you never elaborated- I really don't follow how there being a mafia roleblocker clears MB. I don't see how Kokichi's role is obvious let alone that it must be town. While I agree that Penguin's roleclaim is weak, we really need this stuff spelled out if it's true and we end up in MELO.
greyice was motion detectd as going nowhere on night 1, which in all likelihood means he is not the roleblocker as i would assume the roleblocker would have acted night 1. I also think mislim bait is being towny?


read wavelength's flip. i think kokichi is pretty clearly the counterpart to that role. that doesn't preclude being a scum roleblocker necessarily i just kind of think the way he went about it was towny and him sniping at me yesterday read more like disinterested town who was hung up on their pet read over scum who was feeling a threat from a new replacement

by contract, penguinpower's role feels like it more or less counter claims yours by being a protective and that's slightly too much protective power for the setup i think, plus one-shot doc is just a little too weak compared to everyone else's role
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:36 pm

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In post 1591, petapan wrote:
In post 1587, Aureal wrote: I really need you to explain in depth why you've cleared MB and Kokichi, petapan. I asked earlier and you never elaborated- I really don't follow how there being a mafia roleblocker clears MB. I don't see how Kokichi's role is obvious let alone that it must be town. While I agree that Penguin's roleclaim is weak, we really need this stuff spelled out if it's true and we end up in MELO.
greyice was motion detectd as going nowhere on night 1, which in all likelihood means he is not the roleblocker as i would assume the roleblocker would have acted night 1. I also think mislim bait is being towny?


read wavelength's flip. i think kokichi is pretty clearly the counterpart to that role. that doesn't preclude being a scum roleblocker necessarily i just kind of think the way he went about it was towny and him sniping at me yesterday read more like disinterested town who was hung up on their pet read over scum who was feeling a threat from a new replacement

by contract, penguinpower's role feels like it more or less counter claims yours by being a protective and that's slightly too much protective power for the setup i think, plus one-shot doc is just a little too weak compared to everyone else's role
I think that assumption about Kokichi's role makes sense, but that's why I want to know the flavor — that part would be harder to fake for someone not as familiar with the source material.
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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm

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ok sure go ahead
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:49 pm

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I see where you're going with the roleblocker thing now but still there's some assumptions being made. 1) the roleblocker might have limited shots and thus didn't do anything night one to conserve them 2) the cloaking action from the Borg Queen might have been used (though that's not too likely)

And I have read Wave's flip several times. That's why I want you to explain why you're so sure there, because I see an awful lot of assumptions being made. The unknown person who approves the court-martial might not even have that in their role at all and know nothing about it until they get a message about it.
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:09 pm

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In post 1475, fferyllt wrote: The recipient players will be able to use the devices on a subsequent night.
cloaking device couldn't have been used on night 1
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:10 pm

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In post 1594, Aureal wrote: I see where you're going with the roleblocker thing now but still there's some assumptions being made. 1) the roleblocker might have limited shots and thus didn't do anything night one to conserve them 2) the cloaking action from the Borg Queen might have been used (though that's not too likely)

And I have read Wave's flip several times. That's why I want you to explain why you're so sure there, because I see an awful lot of assumptions being made. The unknown person who approves the court-martial might not even have that in their role at all and know nothing about it until they get a message about it.
do you think he's bluffing about having it? lol
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:10 pm

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regardless of all that, do you have an actual reason to townread penguin?
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:13 pm

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In post 1595, petapan wrote:
In post 1475, fferyllt wrote: The recipient players will be able to use the devices on a subsequent night.
cloaking device couldn't have been used on night 1

Why not? It explicitly does not say that giving the devices out is a night action.

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In post 1594, Aureal wrote: I see where you're going with the roleblocker thing now but still there's some assumptions being made. 1) the roleblocker might have limited shots and thus didn't do anything night one to conserve them 2) the cloaking action from the Borg Queen might have been used (though that's not too likely)

And I have read Wave's flip several times. That's why I want you to explain why you're so sure there, because I see an awful lot of assumptions being made. The unknown person who approves the court-martial might not even have that in their role at all and know nothing about it until they get a message about it.
do you think he's bluffing about having it? lol

He can't be bluffing, he hasn't said anything at all about it. I see no reason to make assumptions.
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Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:17 pm

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I kinda want kokichi to use his role before we elim penguin

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