Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.16

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-05 22:00:16).

yeet

hellbooks [3]:

skitter30, Skygazer, Meuh

osuka [2]:

hellbooks, fireisredsir

Meuh [2]:

VP Baltar, osuka

tris [1]:

Ausuka

not voting [1]:

tris

mod notes

skitter30 is v/la fridays and saturdays.
VP Baltar semi-v/la friday through monday.
this is a mod note.

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[Ausuka]

Bloop

VOTE: tris

I went back to look at some other tris games and like they were similar in terms of she doesn't post a lot but in those games she focuses her energy when she does post on like... Pushing people and prodding and poking around in a more towny way. Here I don't think there's any of that; she mostly doesn't vote, afaik she isn't voting hellbooks for any specific reason and she twice made comments about like, "wanting" to push people but not actually doing it.

Sorry tris

how does this game compare to my scum games

Idk tbh? I looked a couple pages back and unless I'm an idiot I don't think you have any scum games which are recent enough to be of use

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: baltar

[fireisredsir]

tris was scum in the xyzzy large theme and i read some of that which is part of where my meta read was coming from

[Ausuka]

i am indeed an idiot. i must have seen xyzzy and assumed it was another speakeasy thread

[Ausuka]

reading the game it does feel p different to this. i guess similar in the lack of ~Sorting Posting~ but she's a lot more aggro in that one and i was kind of thinking the lack of aggro here was a big concern
shrug idk im dumb

[fireisredsir]

Spoiler:

Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

what is the difference between being afraid of the wagon and being anxious?

why does everyone think that post is towny?

id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

Like, on the one hand, this is kind of a BS reason from fire...the reason it is BS being that fire has a mediocre track record of reading me correctly and I've kind of barely done anything this game yet.

Osuka jumps in and attacks its vagueryness...which is not only the wrong reason to dislike that fire post, it's worth about as much as the poop he wants to put in my pants (not much). Fire can be vague, but the "oh I have a VP read from nothing" is the actual sus part.

But if Fire knows they aren't particularly good at reading you, wouldn't it then make more sense for them to be reserved on their feeling on you? Isn't it natural for them to decide to wait for something more substantive before outing the read completely,

because

of this track record?

that wasn't the reason fire gave for holding it back.

hmm. it doesnt seem particularly forced to me. is that elaboratable?

I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

hold on, is this the post people are saying is ausuka being scummy for overreacting to being scumread? because here she was being prompted to characterize the discussion around her. and saying she doesn't know how to respond to it. doesn't feel like she's reacting strongly to it. its more passive.

baltar is a question mark and so is skitter

what kinda question marks? can i conclude from this that people you didn't mention are not question marks?

like, no idea at all?

and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

actully, tho, can i get an answer to my query please thank verymuch

and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

[/spoiler
@ausuka none of these posts are hard to make at all but i still think she's more likely to make them as town than as scum. i just get the feeling from the posts that she is watching and reading and trying to think critically about the game and the mindset generally feels towny to me. she is poking people where there's things that interest her, but isn't really just forcing reads for the sake of having them. it looks more like observative (is that a word?) curiosity than performative which i think comes from town

i also think that her multiple times indicating at least some interest in following my opinion or asking for some direction from me, but then when i explain why i think baltar is scummy she's like "hmm nah not feeling that one" is actually quite towny unless specifically paired with baltar

[fireisredsir]

whoops. that wasn't supposed to go all inside there

[fireisredsir]

[ausuka]
[tris, skitter]
[meuh]
[osuka]
[skygazer, hellbooks]
[baltar]

[VP Baltar]

Fire, is there a post I have made this game you haven't immediately responded to by calling it scummy?

I don't believe you're actually engaging in genuine discussion here so much as trying to justify to others that you want to vote me.

i also don't really get this response to two posts where i am not doing the thing that you're saying lol

those posts aren't responding to your posts saying you're scum, they're trying to explain my issue with the thought process that you've displayed to the thread and me trying to work through possible explanations for what you said to get you to elaborate more and help me see if something you say helps make it click that you are approaching this from a town mindset

that is like the definition of engaging in discussion to try to sort you and understand your thoughts

Bullshit. You have been saying I'm illogical and making no sense. There is zero effort in there toward actual understanding. You're not seeking answers to the rhetorical questions you've peppered in. It's performance art. This is not how you engage with me when you're town.

You're doing the exact thing I said scum would do because you can't help it. The opportunity is too sweet, and the reward of a dead VP, too high. You're turning your attention to me now that I'm emerging from VLA because it's an easy route to push. I'm also a useful D1 elim because if I get fully back and engaged, I'm more of a pain.

I'm so shocked this has resulted in a vote from you. Meuh, ausuka and skygazer will follow. It is a very low path of resistance now that I'm here to be made a boogeyman.

Is there a clear or stated reason I'm scum? Unlikely. I'm "illogical". (Don't bother fabricating a wall post case at this point, I'm not going to read it)

[VP Baltar]

[ausuka]
[tris, skitter]
[meuh]
[osuka]
[skygazer, hellbooks]
[baltar]

Meuh is hilariously in the middle of this list. A truly surprising turn.

There is also no way fire looks at hellbrooks saying "please lim me I'm useless" and thinks that's coming from scum!brooks.

[VP Baltar]

Or even starting a vanity wagon on me if you also think brooks is scum.

This reveals:

A) you don't actually believe your own scum list or you would just vote brooks and use that to hammer me home tomorrow. Why make it harder?

Or

B) you do actually believe what I'm saying about me being an easy D1 push now that I'm back and think the group I mention will help you.

Either way, fire's play this game around me stinks. There is low chance fire is town and is this disingenuous in their posting.

[fireisredsir]

Bullshit. You have been saying I'm illogical and making no sense. There is zero effort in there toward actual understanding. You're not seeking answers to the rhetorical questions you've peppered in. It's performance art. This is not how you engage with me when you're town.

???

this is so fake lol

you skipped past the post where i was literally seeking answers to get you to explain your thought process and instead just started blustering about this one

you can't just ignore the posts where i ask you things and then say "you're not really trying to engage with me!!"

the last part is also not even remotely true bc you get annoyed with how i engage with you as town like all the time

[fireisredsir]

im not sure if brooks is scum, im not even sure if you're scum although with that response i think it's more likely

i don't really want to elim brooks rn though and so I'd rather have a wagon on the person i think is most likely to be scum

[Ausuka]

Fire why are you tonreading me

[Ausuka]

townreading

i cant spell

[fireisredsir]

because i don't think you're playing at all like how you've played when you're scum and i think you are also playing like how you play when you're town

[Ausuka]

waoaw

[fireisredsir]

pretty much everything you've posted i feel like i can see where it's coming from and where your head is at and why you posted it

[Ausuka]

i'm assuming you're keeping the meta tell a secret or something

[fireisredsir]

there's not a specific meta tell it's a gestalt thing

[Meuh]

Honestly i'm not sure if meuh came to that read independantly or saw that it was becoming a thing so cased there

Note that 665 exists
I picked up on Hellbooks ignoring the Baltar wagon in her recent posts -> went HMMM -> things clicked when I thought about it -> was very excited to look more closely at the pair -> got to analyzing after I got home

I should be more detailed, actually!

Spoiler:

It was a Monday afternoon.
Monday is far from the best day of the week, but not the worst one either, regardless of what a fellow named "Garfield" might want you to think. (Though he is right about lasagna!) You see, on a Monday there's excitement. There's novelty. Dread hasn't set in, the rose-tinted glasses haven't been broken into tiny pieces just yet. Tuesday is when that happens.
Waking up on a Monday is indeed a pain, your body and mind aren't ready to be active so early after the weekend. But you have to consider that waking up is a mere fraction of the day. Yes it is a struggle, but once you get past the rude awakening, the day is quite lovely. Monday gets a bad reputation purely off waking up, but is otherwise nice. This polarity I suppose applies to plenty of things in life, where one particularly great or horrid facet of a mundane thing sticks out and defines it. Regardless, it's sad that Monday is universally seen as this horrid day. I'm more of the opinion of it as something middling. Sure, the weekend has it beat and so does Friday, but it's certainly on par with Wednesday and superior to a Tuesday or a Thursday. Those days are overlooked, maybe because we don't want to think about how horrid they really are. On Tuesday you're realizing that you still have so much to go before the weekend and it's quite depressing. I can confirm, considering today is one. On Thursday you're tired and just want the week to end but there's still a bit to go, but it all seems like a mountain.
Oh! But I'm off track, aren't I. I was sitting in my math class, getting work done in preparation for my test coming soon. Speaking of which, the test starts tomorrow and I'm currently procrastinating on it! It's intriguing the way the human brain manages to procrastinate. Doing nothing at all feels bad, so instead I'm channelling the energy I should be putting into studying for the test into this post. Procrastination isn't really laziness, from my experience. It's like a reorganization of resources, a shift in priorities. It's never "not studying for the test", rather it's "writing a mafia post". My best friend told me that when he procrastinates, he does nothing. So maybe that's a me thing. Or maybe he's the weird one. But while I am procrastinating right now, I wasn't during that class. I was working hard, being productive, advancing in my acquisition of knowledge in mathematics. I like maths, it clicks quite well in my brain. I think that's partially because my dad used to teach it. After all, we are all a product of our environment. So maths has always been something that makes sense to me.
When the class was finally over, I had the time to read the fresh posts that had been made since my last visit to the forum. At first it was a standard set of posts that didn't particularly woo me. Then something clicked. More than it had in the maths class from just before, more than it had earlier in the game. Hellbooks... wasn't talking about the Baltar wagon. The leading wagon, the one I was happily sitting on. I thought a bit more. Had Hellbooks made

any

meaningful statement about Baltar? There was the chainsaw document joke, but that's not substantial. Had Baltar said anything meaningful about Hellbooks? There was that one post earlier on where he explained why people townread her, but nothing came to mind beyond that.
Was this it?
The gears were turning, was this really it? Ausuka, Sky, Fire, Tris, all likely town. Skitter? Well, her position relative to Baltar is nonsensical for partners, that I can't deny. Osuka? Something felt off about Osuka and Baltar as a team. Hellbooks. HELLBOOKS. That was it. It's Baltar and Hellbooks. This realization, this click, reminiscent of the jigsaw puzzles my mom loves to solve, was the moment I was waiting for. The solution to my very own puzzle. I stare at the clock on the wall, time ticking by somehow more quickly than usual, my history class is now about to start. But I must say something! This realization akin to discovering a new formula, a new element, a new planet, it cannot be left unsaid! My hands rush.
"Post Reply"
"Hellbooks/Baltar sned post"
I close my phone, the bell rings. My teacher starts well, teaching. Usually I'd be listening, but the important discovery I had made lingers, I was aching to dig. To see if it was true, to prove the hypothesis I had been waiting for for decades. The class finally ends. I get on the bus.
"Isolate Users"
"hellbooks (She)"
"VP Baltar (he/him)"
GO.
I search through the isolated posts. Like an eager raccoon having just found a dumpster to scour through. Like a pirate digging right where the big red X on the map had lead me.
"Reply with selected quotes"
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
Any relevant post I could get my hand on. I grabbed everything with my grubby raccoon hands and looked at my collection. Now to analyze. I need to contemplate these words, to squeeze all the meaning I could get out of them.
Nausea.
I get carsick sometimes. Specifically when doing something like looking at my phone or reading a book. I think a large part of it is psychological, because whenever there's a purpose to those actions, I don't feel sick. Looking at my phone to respond to something urgent? Sure. Reading a on a loooooong drive? Sure. But my body decided not to make such an exception for this game. Despite my excitement, my body deemed this was not necessary. I saved the newly-quoted posts as a draft, letting the music I was listening to distract me as best it could on my way home. I finally settled at my computer and finally got to reading. I write and I read and I write and I read.
"Preview"
More posts.
Write, read, write, read, write.
"Preview"
More posts.
I finish looking over the collection of posts I had saved on the bus. Now to rummage through the new ones. I had already read them as they came along because of my strong curiosity, but I kept to the task at hand until it was time to get to them. More Hellbooks posts. The same blindspot. The same scummy behaviour. The wagon. Click click click. You'd think I was watching a 2006 American comedy film directed by Frank Coraci, written by Steve Koren and Mark O'Keefe, and produced by Adam Sandler, who also stars, considering the way everything had been clicking.

A smile on my face, I once again get to sned post.
Catharsis. This what was this game was building to. I breathe a sign of relief, knowing the game is completely solved and I no longer have to think.

[skitter30]

What's that mean?

That you'll flip scum

[skitter30]

OK FUCK SORRY I HAVE TO SAY THIS BUT THE THING IS I THINK LIMMING ME WOULDNT BE LIKE THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR TOWN LIKE WE COULD DO A LOT WORSE BC LIKE EVEN IF YOU DIDNT LIM ME I WOULD JUST KEEP EXISTING AS A PROBLEM RIGHT AND IDK I THINK YOUD GET A LOT OF JUICY ASSOCS FROM WITHIN MY CORPSE

Posts like these feel scummy to me

[skitter30]

I think tris is prob town, kinda want to flip hellbooks tbh