Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)

[Bingle]

I looked back at the Black/PC discussion, and I don't have any really meaningful revelations. 314 was painful to read, and I completely understand the confusion on black's part and *think* I understand the confusion on PC's part. If I understand it correctly, you're saying that black was accusing Drew slot of scum but also being fairly relaxed with her engagement of Drew (which... is a thing I'm doing). I couldn't really figure out the subtext of the conversation tbh (I'm not sure what the initial fair question you had for black was but I'm guessing contextually that it was about her Kowah read) and while I disagree that a request for clarification is unreasonable I don't think Black is being unreasonable with her expectation that people know where her reads are at.

I also feel like there's quite a bit of you jumping the gun on calling her out for not going anywhere with specific interactions. Not in a particularly scummy way but in a "if there IS going to be something coming from this it probably needs to be let to air a while, so jumping in and saying 'Nothing will come from this' is just poisoning that particular well, regardless of whether there ends up being water at the bottom." way. I also tend not to worry about people not following up on longshot threads if they ARE following up on threads that have more meat to them. Like, if I had ignored JW's loggerheads stances about mech in order to chase after something like Vizzy being self deprecating, I'd be abandoning a strong lane of questioning for a weak one, and that would be scummy. I don't expect people to formally close inquiries that become obviously fruitless, if that makes sense.

Not sure how much of that is coherent, but that's what reading the last few pages worth of dual isos nets me with the PC/Black interactions.

[Bingle]

Don't try and manipulate me.

I'd like it if you'd elaborate on this thought when you have time.

[Kowahbunga]

I was trying to convey how much I would no lim. I've already said this day is fine to get info from because it will benefit the targeting of the powers.

but you would prefer to end it right now?

I do not think ending today early is as beneficial as I would in a more standard game. Today I think we should be looking into each other because all town should be trying to narrow down on a target for the night. I've stated this before. It was a poor choice of words to say I would hammer it right now, all I was saying is that I'm strongly for a no lim today.

[Doctor Drew]

This post really seems like you are trying to make a case when it isn't there Black.

How? There's a contradiction in Kowah's words and his actions. I don't think I'm fabricating anything about that

And I do like PC's question here.

I don't understand why...I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about Kowah

I don't think you should discount your original position Dr. if how you felt is x it is incorrect for black to say well I felt y a long time ago it doesn't change the fact of the interaction in fact it makes your observation more relevant imo.

Don't try and manipulate me.

I felt like they were trying to stear me in a direction and doing in a way like 'hey buddy, have some confidence in yourself', if that makes sense. Like they were doing me a favor.

It was a snap judgment that I immediately felt after reading it.

[Kowahbunga]

176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?

VOTE: donempire

weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on

If they did, I didn't notice it or it didn't stick out to me like it did with Donempire.

[Kowahbunga]

I think Black and PC are town. If one isn't, I would say it's Black. At least one is, but I'm thinking both are.

[Invisibility]

176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?

VOTE: donempire

weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on

If they did, I didn't notice it or it didn't stick out to me like it did with Donempire.

186 and 197 do. They did come shortly after Don's posts but I'm not sure how much that matters. Still think you're reading too much into it

[Black]

I think Black and PC are town. If one isn't, I would say it's Black. At least one is, but I'm thinking both are.

Can you elaborate a little on why you think PC is townie?

[Black]

I do not think ending today early is as beneficial as I would in a more standard game

Also I'm curious about this. I don't think ending the day early is ever really that beneficial. What are the benefits and why is this game different?

[Kowahbunga]

I do not think ending today early is as beneficial as I would in a more standard game

Also I'm curious about this. I don't think ending the day early is ever really that beneficial. What are the benefits and why is this game different?

This is not important to this game, it will devolve the conversation away from the actual game here because it's just my opinion.

[Black]

This is not important to this game, it will devolve the conversation away from the actual game here because it's just my opinion

I think it's important to understand your thought processes so I can sort you better, but if you don't want to talk about it then I can't make you

[Black]

There's no way you can say 357 isn't relevant to the game so I'm still waiting on an answer to that

[Kowahbunga]

There's no way you can say 357 isn't relevant to the game so I'm still waiting on an answer to that

My town read on you and PC comes from the conversation you both had. on page 13 or 14. I thought PC asked some very good questions about the questions you were asking, and I was having the same thought about the same questions. Your 344 was a good retort to PC's concerns. So I liked the overall feeling of that conversation.

[GuyInFreezer]

Replacing Deltabreedy.
Deadline will be frozen.

[Black]

The deadline is in 20 hours?!

This might be the slowest game I've ever seen

[Black]

There's no way you can say 357 isn't relevant to the game so I'm still waiting on an answer to that

My town read on you and PC comes from the conversation you both had. on page 13 or 14. I thought PC asked some very good questions about the questions you were asking, and I was having the same thought about the same questions. Your 344 was a good retort to PC's concerns. So I liked the overall feeling of that conversation.

I still don't think PC's questions were very good but you're the second person to say this. It felt like he was trying to shade me more than actually solve me. Idk, maybe it's just me

[Doctor Drew]

The deadline is in 20 hours?!

This might be the slowest game I've ever seen

You ain't seen nothing lol.

I definitely don't see town in PC either.

[Doctor Drew]

Don't try and manipulate me.

I'd like it if you'd elaborate on this thought when you have time.

This post really seems like you are trying to make a case when it isn't there Black.

How? There's a contradiction in Kowah's words and his actions. I don't think I'm fabricating anything about that

And I do like PC's question here.

I don't understand why...I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about Kowah

I don't think you should discount your original position Dr. if how you felt is x it is incorrect for black to say well I felt y a long time ago it doesn't change the fact of the interaction in fact it makes your observation more relevant imo.

Don't try and manipulate me.

I felt like they were trying to stear me in a direction and doing in a way like 'hey buddy, have some confidence in yourself', if that makes sense. Like they were doing me a favor.

It was a snap judgment that I immediately felt after reading it.

Forgot I didn't quote Bingle, wanna make sure they get the notification, and maybe we can chat in real time.

[Bingle]

Real time chats are gonna be rough for me this game. I've already worked 40 hours this week and I have a ten hour day and travel back home scheduled for tomorrow. Fun work, but not really conducive to midday mafia-ing unfortunately. Things will probably settle into a routine sooner or later, but real time chats will mostly happen in the morning, late at night, or on my weekends.

Mostly, I'm interested in what you think PC was trying to do with the manipulation. Did it feel like town trying to motivate you to post more? Scum trying to pocket you? Adding fuel to a fire? Leading specific conclusions? There's a lot of ways people manipulate each other in mafia and I want to know what specific type of manipulation you feel is going on there.

[Black]

@mod: I'll be out of town with limited access until Monday

[Kowahbunga]

There's no way you can say 357 isn't relevant to the game so I'm still waiting on an answer to that

My town read on you and PC comes from the conversation you both had. on page 13 or 14. I thought PC asked some very good questions about the questions you were asking, and I was having the same thought about the same questions. Your 344 was a good retort to PC's concerns. So I liked the overall feeling of that conversation.

I still don't think PC's questions were very good but you're the second person to say this. It felt like he was trying to shade me more than actually solve me. Idk, maybe it's just me

I don't know about anyone else, but I never think a player's posts are good when they're questioning me and my motives.

[Black]

I don't know about anyone else, but I never think a player's posts are good when they're questioning me and my motives.

I disagree with this mindset on a fundamental level

[Doctor Drew]

Real time chats are gonna be rough for me this game. I've already worked 40 hours this week and I have a ten hour day and travel back home scheduled for tomorrow. Fun work, but not really conducive to midday mafia-ing unfortunately. Things will probably settle into a routine sooner or later, but real time chats will mostly happen in the morning, late at night, or on my weekends.

Mostly, I'm interested in what you think PC was trying to do with the manipulation. Did it feel like town trying to motivate you to post more? Scum trying to pocket you? Adding fuel to a fire? Leading specific conclusions? There's a lot of ways people manipulate each other in mafia and I want to know what specific type of manipulation you feel is going on there.

I feel they could be scum seeing that I am leaning towards their agenda(pushing on Black), and then encouraging me to keep going down that road, and yes doing a bit of pocketing in the process.

[Kowahbunga]

I don't know about anyone else, but I never think a player's posts are good when they're questioning me and my motives.

I disagree with this mindset on a fundamental level

I'm not suggesting the posts aren't good. I'm just saying it's a lot easier to see the negative in a post when it's you coming under the microscope.

[GuyInFreezer]

Abnegation replaces Deltabreedy