Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End
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god I still think it's aisa but I think I'd rather defer to implosion for this than trust myself lol-
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Aisa, what's your reasoning on ceph-town? I still do think he's town but still feel the need to second-guess on him.-
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Because I think I look like his partnerIn post 1721, Dunnstral wrote: I hadn't verbalized that until after your own post. I still would like to know why you thought so in 1707."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Sure. Why's he town? I've not had him as better than null and these conversations with him have him coming off very oddly nitpicky.In post 1716, Aisa wrote: Aureal let's talk about Ceph, I'm pretty sure he's town
I don't really see how that's compatible, but if you do I'll let it go. Saying "hey Merlyn what do you think about starting new wagons on one of these people" without even so much as moving off a main wagon yourself seems prettyIn post 1718, Aisa wrote:
fire's original wording wasIn post 1670, Aureal wrote:In post 1664, Cephrir wrote: Really made sure the day ended there by parking on fire for most of the day and then mind controlling merlyn
VOTE: aureal
You were parked on fire for most of the day? This all started because fire said you were "the one to actually take action and start campaigning for alternate wagons" remember? That doesn't seem to match up well with your description of your day. Why are you not seeming to take issue with the inaccurate way fire describes your action but nitpicking mine, other than obvious reason that fire's inaccuracy makes you look better?
which is compatible with what Ceph was doing (pushing skitter, then parked on fire, then asked about starting a 3rd wagon, then decided to sheep Merlyn which resulted in him voting skitter)In post 1638, fireisredsir wrote:person a) [Cephrir] was a part of tvt wagons and then actively worked to try to move away from them and dismantle the locked position towards the rest of the gameinactive andnotworking to me.
As far as massclaim, I've rather come around to the 'just lim fire' position. I really dislike how fire just vanished once I started pushing back at him, and has only decided to talk about implosion (a consensus townread) since then. It feels like scum realizing they could end up making me look too unpartnered if they keep engaging with me.
VOTE: fireisredsir"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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that part about fire just feels blatantly untrue? I think he had a respectable sequence of posts that was much more effort than ive been able to muster-
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im less sold by him than I'd hope I would be by his solving sequence
but when I think about how I'd expect him to re-evaluate the whole game today I think he did that for a bit; he went through a number of slots and talked about them reasonably, after your pushback
"only decided to talk about implosion" is just warped-
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Also if fire flipped wolf I would consider almost nothing he did today in terms of spew. I think he was so likely to die today that he’d definitely be careful with his approach and it’s all WIFOM, so I don’t agree a ton with ur point there eh-
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Menalque will no longer be replaced and will keep his slot.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Yo
Sorry Friday was unexpectedly busy and then the weekend was expectedly so
Just to give context: I go back to the Uk for summer work next week so atm everything is a bit of a hectic mess between getting ready for leaving while tying up end of academic year stuff"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I’ve only skimmed lightly for now in terms of catchup but I think we should definitely be massclaiming today regardless to lock people into claims"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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It's not about Cephrir sheeping Merlyn (which I agree can't be considered "actively" campaigning for a different wagon), but about this post:In post 1729, Aureal wrote:[...]
I don't really see how that's compatible, but if you do I'll let it go. Saying "hey Merlyn what do you think about starting new wagons on one of these people" without even so much as moving off a main wagon yourself seems prettyIn post 1718, Aisa wrote:
fire's original wording wasIn post 1670, Aureal wrote:In post 1664, Cephrir wrote: Really made sure the day ended there by parking on fire for most of the day and then mind controlling merlyn
VOTE: aureal
You were parked on fire for most of the day? This all started because fire said you were "the one to actually take action and start campaigning for alternate wagons" remember? That doesn't seem to match up well with your description of your day. Why are you not seeming to take issue with the inaccurate way fire describes your action but nitpicking mine, other than obvious reason that fire's inaccuracy makes you look better?
which is compatible with what Ceph was doing (pushing skitter, then parked on fire, then asked about starting a 3rd wagon, then decided to sheep Merlyn which resulted in him voting skitter)In post 1638, fireisredsir wrote:person a) [Cephrir] was a part of tvt wagons and then actively worked to try to move away from them and dismantle the locked position towards the rest of the gameinactive andnotworking to me.
As far as massclaim, I've rather come around to the 'just lim fire' position. I really dislike how fire just vanished once I started pushing back at him, and has only decided to talk about implosion (a consensus townread) since then. It feels like scum realizing they could end up making me look too unpartnered if they keep engaging with me.
VOTE: fireisredsir
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I guess it's not a lot, but Ceph is not a very high volume poster and you're rarely gonna see him screaming and yelling for a specific course of action. When I first saw the post I remember it made an impression because I was also panicking about who to eliminate.
More in general why do you think Ceph not taking issue with fire's description of his actions is a problem? I wouldn't expect most players to go out of their way to correct townreads on them most of the time.
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In post 1726, implosion wrote: Aisa, what's your reasoning on ceph-town? I still do think he's town but still feel the need to second-guess on him.
Mainly meta: to me he feels different from this scumgame of his. He initially fooled me, but looking back on the completed game I feel like I can trace a lot of his posts to a fairly simple agenda. He kinda tries to project this confidence in his ideas / scumreads and appears quick to reach conclusions like "this doesn't make sense". He's quite direct about pushing the slots he wants to eliminate. He talks more about others than about himself, and when he talks about his own thought process, he keeps it simple and short.In post 1729, Aureal wrote:
Sure. Why's he town? I've not had him as better than null and these conversations with him have him coming off very oddly nitpicky.In post 1716, Aisa wrote: Aureal let's talk about Ceph, I'm pretty sure he's town
He feels different here. I've had this feeling for a while but here are a few recent examples:
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Here is a dump of some posts where he shows some of his thought process. He seems a bit hedgier than in the previous game I linked?
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He has a simple self-assurance here that seems unlikely to be forced to me. I also like that he's been able to explain his trajectory yesterday more generally; this makes me feel like there is actual depth to his reads. I can follow his thought process.
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I like the fact he considers both the fire town and fire scum cases; this tells me he's not directly setting up a specific narrative. You could argue that he's fire's partner doing some strange reverse psychology gambit to hopefully make him look unpartnered when fire flips, but... this feels a bit gimmicky?
Somebody please scream at me if I'm fundamentally misinterpreting Ceph's meta and he can in fact do all these things as scum-
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When I first saw this post I was going to scream bloody murder at this interpretation of the gamestate but I actually don't hate the two people this question is applied toIn post 1704, implosion wrote: The fact that there is absolutely no impetus toward limming fire today after what happened yesterday makes me want to revise my stance and agree with skitter/menalque that there is some weird unnatural resistance to limming fire right now. fire is the natural lim; there's been like semi-consensus on fire's slot being scum like twice and nothing happened either time + skitter as she was dying kept saying we need to look at fire (she also said she thought sheep looked even worse than fire but still).
Like dunn/ceph, why are you not voting fire now given you were on the wagon yesterday and it's the leading wagon here? Has something meaningfully changed?-
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Something feels weird about Aureal vs Cephrir, from a skim exactly 0 players who are not called Aureal or Cephrir seem to have used it as a reason to scumread either Aureal or Cephrir and I wonder why that is.-
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Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
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I looked at CSF’s ISO again and hmmm that does *not* feel like a scumslot rn-
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Mmmm my brain is a dolphin doing all sorts of backflips rn.
What if it’s exactly Ceph + Dunn + fire? Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3-
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Someone? Anyone. Cmon. How is this not an attractive proposition?In post 1745, Aisa wrote: Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3
I think for a while I was at
{implosion, Cephrir, Aureal}
{Menalque, sheep, Egix, fireisredsir, Dunn}
but Egixslot is actually definitely a townslot at least until I change my mind again and it's a stronger read than Ceph. If I swap those I get
{implosion, Egix, Aureal}
{Cephrir, Menalque, sheep, fireisredsir, Dunn}
and I think this also gives me more scumteam options I find compelling to play with-
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I thought this at some point but 1 of the 2 teams dunn is proposing is egix/ceph/fire and I dont think he would tmi a 2/3 accurate teamIn post 1745, Aisa wrote: Mmmm my brain is a dolphin doing all sorts of backflips rn.
What if it’s exactly Ceph + Dunn + fire? Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3-
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ur welcomeIn post 1748, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
I thought this at some point but 1 of the 2 teams dunn is proposing is egix/ceph/fire and I dont think he would tmi a 2/3 accurate teamIn post 1745, Aisa wrote: Mmmm my brain is a dolphin doing all sorts of backflips rn.
What if it’s exactly Ceph + Dunn + fire? Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3
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