Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[osuka]

what the fuck did I just read?

who's to say

[osuka]

are you asking about my posts or not?

[Firebringer]

i almost wanna vote firebringer but i do feel like that's gonna get me killed so i dont know about all that

i believe in you

[Ausuka]

like i guess this is a response so the irony of that isn't lost on me, but there's like just nothing of substance that i can actually try to address beyond "the push on bingle was weird and i guess he's playing differently than what he used to". but crucially, both of those points are fairly weak and i have plausible deniability without looking any further than personal play variance, but you and i both know that so i think that's nothing other than an attempt to put pressure on me to see how i react.

did i pass the reaction test?

It's not really a reaction test. I mean I guess I was hoping to see how you reacted and make a judgement based on that but I wasn't lying about anything. Unfortunately your response is like slightly +town which is probably the worst situation because it doesn't really push me to a point where I want to see you dead today or I would rather kill someone else

I think the generic response to this is like - Yes my case on you isn't massively strong but we need to kill someone today and I don't have a better alternative right now. I also think that like, even when there is a plausible explanation for town osuka doing something, it still increases the chances that you are scum. If you can't respond to it or whatever I understand why that would be frustrating but it doesn't really change the situation for me. It's possible that you just got disengaged and were like "fuck it don is conftown baa baa" for example, but on the other hand, I do not think town osuka is that likely to sheep someone who has not done anything worth sheeping even if they are confirmed town, and generally I think donempire is likely to be on an immensely wrong track here and when town is doing that scum are likely to support and encourage them, especially when they have an excuse (like donempire being confirmed town or whatever) so overall it makes me think scum osuka is more likely.

Similarly it's possible that you would not really have strong feelings about anyone outside bingle this whole time because you've been disengaged the entire time or whatever and just woke up and decided to fight bingle one day but I think it does make more sense coming from scum because you would be trying to eliminate the players you thought were most likely to be town and I think that makes it significantly more difficult to fabricate organic reads and stuff. To be fair that does apply less to today but whatever that was like a continuation of what you were already doing.

I think there are like, more reasons to townread you than there are to townread invisibility, like the townslip thing I guess and you kind of pinged me as town early in the game, but overall I don't have that many good reasons to townread you right now. I would also need like a superior alternative wagon and I don't know if merlyn wagon is actually better. I guess I can iso merlyn again and think about it

Pedit: No, i was talking about donempire self voting and the surrounding posts

[Firebringer]

Fire & Don can you guys chill pls

im chill

Don-FB interaction is just making me not want to play tbh

just think of it like old chat mafia yelling at each other. Its not that serious

[Ausuka]

Oh i forgot to mention I think osuka townreading me makes it kinda less likely for town osuka to sheep donempire on me specifically? Like he obviously doesn't have that many reads but i think especially for a generally confident person you would at least want to vote someone who seems vaguely suspicious or whatever

[Firebringer]

meryln feels like it will be a townflip
Osuka feels like will be a townflip but less certain on.

Maybe i should just move back onto osuka.

[Firebringer]

Oh i forgot to mention I think osuka townreading me makes it kinda less likely for town osuka to sheep donempire on me specifically

yeah the whole sheeping done thing just doesn't make sense to me even in world i believe osuka is just not caring/invested and got rl shit going on. Think he would still shout out his own reads preferences instead of just going "ehh just sheeping IC here"

[Firebringer]

this is a fat misrep that i don't expect from you. i'm "just complaining"? I addressed the reasons people gave for the wagon that's about to get me killed and pointed out the fact that there's no real tangible reason behind it, which nobody other than bingle seemed to even acknowledge. how about you start reading the thread a bit?

i can even let slide the fact that "i'm not solving" because i haven't really gotten anywhere d2, but anything past that is just sad and you should know better than to try to pull this shit on me

this is the same kind of stupid argumentation and like a repeat broken clock of how he interacted with bingle though.

Maybe they can't be aligned then?

Is osuka so boring that all he does is call points misreps in this exact same manner. Its really kind of boring if this is the level of scum game.

Or his town game tbh

[Firebringer]

like part of me wants to bridge the gap of discussion in that post he is doing. You know like theres obviously disconnects happening that can be discussed and further get an understanding

but to me osuka is just looking for stuff to call misreps i.e no good faith discussion to be had.

Which I guess is true of me now too because i don't care about getting to a civil discussion but listening/hearing someone out and bridging a discussion. Requires way more effort than im willing to put in for osuka rn.

[Firebringer]

Ehh fuck it. Staying on osuka.
VOTE: Osuka
My three points of concern with osuka are as following.

1) He is sheeping Donempire. I don't care what universe we in that isn't something he just does unless he is also in sync with the player reads. His reads take priority from what i can see of his personality
2) He should have died night 1. If i was scum he was up there in top 2-3 i would have killed. He didn't. Still here thats a point against him
3) His argumentation with players bingle and now me, i don't believe actually is sorting. its reactionary fighting to call people dumb/misreps etc. Its not useful for sorting and i don't think theres actually genuine sorting going on with those posts.

So i am good here

[Firebringer]

i should add on the fact he sheeped donempire on Ausuka and judging from posts that wasn't even close to a scumread he cared about before

[Radical Rat]

Ugh. There's no other way out of this is there?

I'll hammer by deadline, but until then if anyone wants to pile on Drew, by all means, feel free

[Bingle]

You’d think putting him at E-1 with less than 24 hours to deadline would be a better indicator.

Sorry don, but I think both ausuka and fb are town. I understand why you disagree with me on both, to an extent, but I don’t find your argument convincing. I don’t think anything osuka has done today invalidates my reasons for voting him yesterday. Given the dwindling number of people I think might be scum, I’m not inclined to back off of this with the time we have left today. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but I have to vote where I think the red flips live.

[Bingle]

The first paragraph was a response to fire and don talking about me osuka not being S/S btw. Not sure where the quotes went.

[Ausuka]

I mean i'm not necessarily opposed to switching wagons but i don't really see why i should vote drew

[Merlyn]

Sorry Don I'm trying to be against you, I just don't feel good about the ausuka car. I feel probably the same way about voting osuka as I do Drew, I can see a world where either of them is scum.

[Firebringer]

don't u think im scum tho meryln.
why aren't u arguing that im pushing a townie here?

[Merlyn]

Well my top townread and my top scumread are on the potentially only viable wagon with 12 hours to go and a deadline I will be asleep for. So I can 1) stick to my vote on you which has gone nowhere and hope we don't no lim 2) take a chance on voting someone I could see being scum.

[Datisi]

vote count 2.09

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

osuka [5]:

Ausuka, Umlaut, Doctor Drew, Bingle, Firebringer

Doctor Drew [2]:

Radical Rat, sheepsaysmeep

Merlyn [2]:

Invisibility, osuka

Firebringer [1]:

Merlyn

Donempire

[1]:

Donempire

not voting [0]:

mod notes

this is a mod note.

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[sheepsaysmeep]

Donempire is scum for voting confirmed town

[sheepsaysmeep]

anyways i will probably hammer in the next 5 hours

[Bingle]

anyways i will probably hammer in the next 5 hours

I don’t think dons gonna get 4 more votes in 5 hours, sheep.

[Radical Rat]

Fine. It's obvious nothing's gonna change at this point. Hopefully I just come out of this looking like an idiot for defending him.

VOTE: osuka

o7

[Donempire]

Yeah i think you guys are taking this more seriously than me and fb are lmao. Like i'm pissed but i don't really care. I just want fb voted out.

VOTE: FB