Mini 2308 | Blood over Utopia | Utopia fell.

[biancospino]

Votecount 1-II

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

flavor

Spoiler:

* I'm likely not actually going to write that

execution votes

Roden (3):

Cat Scratch Fever (9), RCEnigma (20), PenguinPower (87)

PenguinPower (2):

Merlyn (33), camelCasedSnivy (88)

Deal With The Devil (2):

JasonWazza (6), SirCakez (89)

RCEnigma (1):

Roden (8)

SirCakez (1):

Deal With The Devil (98)

Not voting (4):

Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf, Aureal, marcistar

projects votes

Trading Outpost (4):

marcistar (43), camelCasedSnivy (71), PenguinPower (86), SirCakez (90)

Printing Press (3):

JasonWazza (6), Deal With The Devil (106), Roden(138)

Bureau of Investigations (2):

Cat Scratch Fever (12), Aureal (110)

Neighborhood Watch (1):

Merlyn (33)

Not voting (3):

Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf, RCEnigma

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-08 09:00:00).
  
• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.

[RCEnigma]

Okay then i still think there is merit to using sacrifice today, everyone votes it so it’s basically the day lim with 20k added on and the development we want is voted by 2 players.

If the next tier of unlocks is 70k+ we still get to push it through without using the trading post.

[marcistar]

maybe Printing Press is a better vote today and then we can do Trading Post tomorrow? Election Security or Intellegentia would be a good second.

HURT: Printing Press

I don't think printing press is worth it roden

Think about it! Do you think the game will end so quickly? No right?
We have time to unlock each of the options to gain more, so by going printing press its just setting us back since we can only do one development.
We will have to gain more money and unlock more stuff eventually, so why not get started on it now instead of just wasting time to gain info on what they are? We'll simply gain the same info once we unlock the next stuff anyways.

ups the daily budget to $70,000.

implies that its a permanent fix, otherwise "daily" wouldn't be there, and instead it would be worded like "the next days budget". This is why trading outpost is still worthy enough to waste our time on.
It'll be shitty to unlock cool new stuff just to not have the money for it, which is why trading outpost is the one thats most useful to unlock first.

printing press will waste our valuable time please please please listen to me kind sir
it'll take longer just to achieve the same result!

[marcistar]

Okay then i still think there is merit to using sacrifice today, everyone votes it so it’s basically the day lim with 20k added on and the development we want is voted by 2 players.

If the next tier of unlocks is 70k+ we still get to push it through without using the trading post.

if we do sacrifice ill vote for you to be sacrificed since you keep pushing it <3

[RCEnigma]

Fine by me.

[marcistar]

Sacrifice ($0)

-- if target Utopian is not an Insurgent, they die and town gets $20,000 more in tomorrow's budget.

vs

Trading Outpost ($20,000)

-- ups the daily budget to $70,000.

theres a difference in wording

sacrifice is a one time gain, trading post is not.

sacrifice is so beyond useless right now, why are we AIMING to get a townie killed when we should be preserving our numbers? sacrifice will be much more useful when we KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE $$

[marcistar]

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

[RCEnigma]

Sacrifice ($0)

-- if target Utopian is not an Insurgent, they die and town gets $20,000 more in tomorrow's budget.

vs

Trading Outpost ($20,000)

-- ups the daily budget to $70,000.

theres a difference in wording

sacrifice is a one time gain, trading post is not.

sacrifice is so beyond useless right now, why are we AIMING to get a townie killed when we should be preserving our numbers? sacrifice will be much more useful when we KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE $$

Are we just not voting for a lim today then?

[marcistar]

im pretty sure we can still do a regular lim? where are you getting this from

[RCEnigma]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Sacrifice ($0)

-- if target Utopian is not an Insurgent, they die and town gets $20,000 more in tomorrow's budget.

vs

Trading Outpost ($20,000)

-- ups the daily budget to $70,000.

theres a difference in wording

sacrifice is a one time gain, trading post is not.

sacrifice is so beyond useless right now, why are we AIMING to get a townie killed when we should be preserving our numbers? sacrifice will be much more useful when we KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE $$

Are we just not voting for a lim today then?

Each project can only be used at most twice per game, so it's better to save it for when you actually need the money the next day

HURT: Election Security

I think this is the best non-development project. There's not much point in saving this one for later, because voting manipulation is disabled at ELO anyway, whereas Neighborhood Watch & Intelligentia could be more useful later.

[RCEnigma]

Reminds me about the neighborhood watch thing, it’s disabled with less than 8 players. So better utility later but we aren’t guaranteed to be able to use it X days down the line.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

No, Census is the one with the 8 player requirement

[camelCasedSnivy]

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

[marcistar]

but its more likely we wont

and theres no guarantee we'll find a use for the money

[RCEnigma]

No, Census is the one with the 8 player requirement

mixing all of these up is gonna be too easy for me.

[camelCasedSnivy]

we could use it to assassinate someone else

[Deal With The Devil]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

My issue with Sacrifice today is that, if I am reading the rules correctly, everyone who votes for it gets to decide who the target is. Here on D1 reads are just starting to develop so it is much easier, imo, for scum to make their way into the council who decides the Sacrifice.

I feel like that is another way to save for a later day when reads are developed more.

-Drew

[camelCasedSnivy]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

My issue with Sacrifice today is that, if I am reading the rules correctly, everyone who votes for it gets to decide who the target is. Here on D1 reads are just starting to develop so it is much easier, imo, for scum to make their way into the council who decides the Sacrifice.

I feel like that is another way to save for a later day when reads are developed more.

-Drew

we could also hold a psuedo-vote now for the sac target (also depending on the flip)

[Roden]

I don't see anything in the set up, so...

@mod:

What happens to a flip during eliminations? Do they have a standard flip?

Yes, unless some game effect suppresses the flip.

This makes me think scum have a way to hide flips. Janitor would probably be useless since we all start Vanilla and assign PRs, but maybe they have a way to hide Day flips. I don't see why buying a Vig shot would hide the flip otherwise, since Autopsy is the most optimal combo with it with zero drawbacks.

[Deal With The Devil]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

My issue with Sacrifice today is that, if I am reading the rules correctly, everyone who votes for it gets to decide who the target is. Here on D1 reads are just starting to develop so it is much easier, imo, for scum to make their way into the council who decides the Sacrifice.

I feel like that is another way to save for a later day when reads are developed more.

-Drew

we could also hold a psuedo-vote now for the sac target (also depending on the flip)

You are a very eager beaver to push through Sacrifice aren't you?

-Drew

[camelCasedSnivy]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

My issue with Sacrifice today is that, if I am reading the rules correctly, everyone who votes for it gets to decide who the target is. Here on D1 reads are just starting to develop so it is much easier, imo, for scum to make their way into the council who decides the Sacrifice.

I feel like that is another way to save for a later day when reads are developed more.

-Drew

we could also hold a psuedo-vote now for the sac target (also depending on the flip)

You are a very eager beaver to push through Sacrifice aren't you?

-Drew

i don't want to discard the idea

[Deal With The Devil]

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

i think sac could be worth it since we could theoretically find a mafia member with it

its like a loyal vig

My issue with Sacrifice today is that, if I am reading the rules correctly, everyone who votes for it gets to decide who the target is. Here on D1 reads are just starting to develop so it is much easier, imo, for scum to make their way into the council who decides the Sacrifice.

I feel like that is another way to save for a later day when reads are developed more.

-Drew

we could also hold a psuedo-vote now for the sac target (also depending on the flip)

You are a very eager beaver to push through Sacrifice aren't you?

-Drew

i don't want to discard the idea

Why on D1 would you want it?

And what is your opinion about scum losing daytalk now vs later in the game?

-Drew

[camelCasedSnivy]

tbh i dont think daytalk is that important. the mafia site i come from doesn't have mafia daytalk so i don't see it as a huge loss for scum

[SirCakez]

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

if i can be so bold as to say my very valid opinions,
i think this is sussy.

Why didn't u vote me then