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Votecount 1-XI

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

execution votes

SirCakez (4):

Cat Scratch Fever (444), PenguinPower (477), marcistar (492), Merlyn (543)

Merlyn (2):

Aureal (212), Roden (250)

PenguinPower (2):

camelCasedSnivy (88), meowmeow (387)

camelcasedSnivy (1):

Deal With The Devil (182)

Flavor Leaf (1):

RCEnigma (407)

Not voting (3):

Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf, SirCakez (635)

projects votes

Bureau of Investigations (6):

Aureal (110), meowmeow (258), camelCasedSnivy (259), SirCakez (267), Deal With The Devil (565), Flavor Leaf (608)

Trading Outpost (2):

PenguinPower (86), RCEnigma (159)

Intelligentia (2):

Roden (503), Cat Scratch Fever (560)

Elected Jury (1):

marcistar (294)

Printing Press (1):

Random Nurse (345)

Election Security (1):

Merlyn (630)

Not voting (0).

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-08 09:00:00).
  
• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.

[RCEnigma]

No idea

I still think Merlyn might've TMI'd you and Devil and I think her way of reading you is too clinical. Overconfidence is NAI for you, in my experience how townie you are depends on how hard you hit the slay button. But I can also tell that our back and forth was going nowhere and it's better if I just disengage and observe for now.

You/Aureal/Devil/RC are my town reads right now, CSF/Leaf/Meow/Nurse/Penguin/Cakes are in my null stew pile, Merlyn/Snivy are under my watchful eye.

I don't think merlyn was all that scummy so far. She was pretty higher on my townreads list, though I do see spots where I think she could possibly be faking ignorance. I thought most of her stuff seemed genuine enough that I wanted to ignore that, I think shes one of the main people pushing the game "the direction they want", so I thought they couldn't be scum.
Aurueal isn't exactly a townread for me anymore, but isn't a scumread. Does it make sense? I think they dropped off.

How isn't meow a townread? I think they seemed pretty engaged in the game since the second they replaced in.

Now that reads are hot topics can you explain what happened with aureal to drop your read?

[RCEnigma]

Nurse do you have like a specific time window for MS browsing? I’m the type of person that finds real-time interaction easier to pull me into the current events of a game than catching up from the beginning. Dunno if you are the same but would like to find a way to get your involvement.

[camelCasedSnivy]

i townread marci leaf
townlean includes meowmeow and aureal
null is everyone else but notably devil
scumlean is merlyn rce and cakez
scum is penguin and snivy

[Aureal]

UNVOTE:
I don't feel good about this vote anymore

I did some ISOing to verify what you were saying and unfortunately for me and my lack of scumreads this game your claims about talking about votes every game early day one check out - it's more specific meta then just the lackadaisical Penguin meta I was thinking of

So now I literally have like nothing I feel good about pushing
Someone make a scummy post

Okay, thanks, I guess.

I've been kinda sus of Penguin since he's feeling like my previous experience with him, but was hoping someone would have input on his meta like this because I can believe what he said. Some of us just might not function that well early on.

Sooooo... yeah. I'm not really getting scumreads, though at least I've gotten some townreads so I'm doing better than a couple days ago. I mostly voted Merlyn as a joke because of dividing conner and I thought she at least would get that. I'm really not sure how to read her yet but I haven't been coming up with any more solid reason to vote elsewhere either. I guess I could VOTE: camelCasedSnivy for the sake of moving my vote.

[Aureal]

none of my reads are that strong so far - honestly, i'm a little worried about it, it feels like the gamestate isn't that advanced and we're halfway to deadline. i was hoping we'd be able to, uh, walk and chew gum when it comes to the mechanical stuff, but maybe we need to cut down on it and focus on the mafia side of things

Yeah, I agree with this. This setup triggers my mech-based instincts to want to try to break it, but motivation sank and now I still barely even have any reads.

Hmmmm. What do you suppose is the meaning of the fact that there was a bunch of talk about the Merlyn wagon but nobody ever asked me why I voted her? Was it that obvious to everyone?

I figured you were sheeping me bc I remember I asked merlyn a question around the same time

Why is your motivation so low? What would get you more engaged

Good question. I'd say a decent bit out of game factors, and this game just feeling a bit of a chore to get into. Like, if I were solely in charge of deciding what to do, I'd make my own mind up. But I'm not much of a leader and it sorta feels like sometimes when I'm trying to get input to get brainstorming on something, it falls flat. So that kinda feels discouraging, when I can't do something myself but efforts to engage the group don't accomplish much.

I mean, I'm down to brainstorm. The thing you're voting for is winning atm, do you still want that or no? If so what's the second thing you think we should get?

Mmm, I think things are going well on the votes, Intelligentia is definitely something we want to use, this is a fine place for it, and that's our second project as votes stand. Election security might be useful but probably moreso later, appointed jury might be nice to give to towncore but again, probably better later so we have a better idea who that is. Raffle is fine anytime, perhaps slightly better earlier? Still on the fence about inquiry being useful at all. Neighborhood watch feels better later on unless we hit scum early. Those are what I'd consider for a second project today.

[Roden]

marci, roden
merlyn
csf, snivy
cakez, flavor leaf, random nurse
devil, rcenigma
aureal, penguinpower

i think i'm here right now. i don't really get common townreads on RCE. none of my reads are that strong so far - honestly, i'm a little worried about it, it feels like the gamestate isn't that advanced and we're halfway to deadline. i was hoping we'd be able to, uh, walk and chew gum when it comes to the mechanical stuff, but maybe we need to cut down on it and focus on the mafia side of things

Why are Devil and Aureal so low?

i think i just explained aureal, so i won't repeat it here

re: devil, i just haven't been a fan of pretty all the pushes they have made. none of them are specifically exceptionally scummy, but it adds up to leave a slightly poor taste in my read-mouth

In my head I had the thought that Aureal had a good mix of mech and player solving, but after going back over her ISO I'd say you're right about her being more mech focused, at least early on. I don't feel like she had any intent to try to earn town cred with "correct" mech solving though. I think her and Devil have been doing their best to explain our options with the pros and cons as concisely as possible.

As for Devil's reads, I find myself vibing with most of them. Drew in particular feels like his pushes are kinda weak but only because he's just freely speaking his mind. It doesn't seem agenda-y to me.

Are there any pushes of theirs that you did like?

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE just has Flavor Fever is all. More likely happening as town than scum.

To be fair, though, my alignment becomes obvious later into the game.

As scum, I have partners, and I believe if scum are working together well, it’s impossible to fade scum Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

[camelCasedSnivy]

its just devil and aureal rn

4321 pattern was also ruined

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
I don't feel good about this vote anymore

I did some ISOing to verify what you were saying and unfortunately for me and my lack of scumreads this game your claims about talking about votes every game early day one check out - it's more specific meta then just the lackadaisical Penguin meta I was thinking of

So now I literally have like nothing I feel good about pushing
Someone make a scummy post

Okay, thanks, I guess.

What is the meaning of this emoji lol

[SirCakez]

I'm liking Rodens posts this game, feels distinctly different from last game I played w him when he was scum

[marcistar]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

why is camel such a strong townread

[camelCasedSnivy]

the leaf instinctively likes the leaf pokemon simple

[Deal With The Devil]

This game's a little difficult to get into reads-wise.
Early mech talk always seems to do that to a game.
(yes, I realize what a huge hypocrite I'm being right now)

- Alianna

[camelCasedSnivy]

when theres no breaking strategy with the new mechanic i think mech talk is fine

i also am fine with mech talk when I'm not scum

[Deal With The Devil]

Obligatory post 666.

- Alianna

[camelCasedSnivy]

you are the devil of fucking course

[Deal With The Devil]

you are the devil of fucking course

Well technically

Drew

is the devil, I'm just the idiot who took the deal. Still had to take the post though.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

(sorry Drew)

Ok, I need to go and actually read now.

- Alianna

[Merlyn]

I mostly voted Merlyn as a joke because of dividing conner and I thought she at least would get that.

dang, was that really the last game we played together? I for some reason feel like we play all the time. But no, I didn't pick that up, I needed like an emoji or something

[marcistar]

can we just vote cakez out pls

[Merlyn]

Mmm, I think things are going well on the votes, Intelligentia is definitely something we want to use, this is a fine place for it, and that's our second project as votes stand. Election security might be useful but probably moreso later, appointed jury might be nice to give to towncore but again, probably better later so we have a better idea who that is. Raffle is fine anytime, perhaps slightly better earlier? Still on the fence about inquiry being useful at all. Neighborhood watch feels better later on unless we hit scum early. Those are what I'd consider for a second project today.

I don't think I understand the usefulness of raffle (it's fruit vendor, right? But we can't use it to confirm someone's town like you normally can, right?), but overall I think this is a reasonable list. I'm not against intellgentia, at least it's something we know what we're getting when if we vote it. I think you're right that jury is probably better in a future day. The main reason I'm pushing election security now is a pretty tinfoily idea that the 'winds' in the flavor must mean something, so maybe it means vote shifting?

[Deal With The Devil]

RCE can you move your votes onto one of the two wagons

Personally I think leaf is towny even though they don't have many posts

wtf is this post

I'll second that

Glad I'm not the only one to think so.

RCE can you move your votes onto one of the two wagons

Personally I think leaf is towny even though they don't have many posts

wtf is this post

found RCEs vote strange whats the matter

Okay, I'll break it down.

1) You asked someone to move their vote to 'one of the the two wagons' . It's weird to me. It's like, not only do you want them to move their vote, but you want them to move it to where it will be the most likely to get someone limmed- but you don't care who of the two gets limmed. We have a decent amount of time left, so we don't need to be worried about a no lim or something.

2) Why do you feel either wagon is okay? You've mentioned more than once that you find penguin sus, but you've never even talked about cakez. It makes me wonder if you're fine with either lim bc you know they're town.

3) You didn't build a case to try and sway RCE onto a particular person or offer any reasons one of those two would be the right vote- why would they listen to you and stop voting for someone else and specifically jump onto the top two wagons with no reasoning from you?

4) Why do you care about RCE's vote anyway? Like, so what if you find FL town- FL literally has one vote. If you thought FL was town and in danger of being limmed this would make some sense, but literally what does it matter to you?

This is just a really good breakdown of the post even if camel ends up being town. I don't think I've played with scum!you since your first game so I can't really judge if this is something you'd fake, but this feels like analytical town!Merlyn.

- Alianna

P-edit: the weather being relevant is a really interesting idea, might be worth speculating on. Let me find my post on the Raffle.

[Deal With The Devil]

Raffle ($10,000)

-- 50% chance that a random Citizen gets a fruit.

This might not be as terrible as we think it is, actually. Scum can claim it, but it's a gamble because it creates a 50/50 if town gets it and we just eliminate both players. Even if we only get one claim, we could still get something AI out of the way it's claimed. It's not

great

though. It's something to use if we don't have anything better or we're spending a lot of money elsewhere.

Here.

- Alianna