No, EpicMafia Ranger's avatar was one of our first two avatars ever, technically the first ever made specifically for us.In post 2144, DragonEater70 wrote:Wow I just realized I think you had this avatar on the EM site, right? I vaguely remember it all of a sudden.
Simply put, I instalocked DragonEater70 as scum last game when he actually was. Trusting that wasn't a fluke, he's town here. His play feels radically different as well. He's more active, his tone's better, and his content more varied.In post 2147, Aureal wrote:Ranger it'd be lovely if you'd actually give any sort of explanation of your reads. You've had some noticeable shifts, but then again you weren't explaining your reads in the first place so I don't know why you thought DE was towny in the first place when he's been rather scummy all game and has just decided to start scraping the bottom of the scum-barrel with nonsense.
I know this probably sounds scummy af to you if you actually are town but I really can't think of a better way to convey it:In post 2147, Aureal wrote: Ranger it'd be lovely if you'd actually give any sort of explanation of your reads. You've had some noticeable shifts, but then again you weren't explaining your reads in the first place so I don't know why you thought DE was towny in the first place when he's been rather scummy all game and has just decided to start scraping the bottom of the scum-barrel with nonsense.
Nvm thenIn post 2150, Ranger wrote:No, EpicMafia Ranger's avatar was one of our first two avatars ever, technically the first ever made specifically for us.In post 2144, DragonEater70 wrote:Wow I just realized I think you had this avatar on the EM site, right? I vaguely remember it all of a sudden.
The original has been lost to the depths of time as it came from the darkthrone beta, yet a highly pixelated/compressed copy remains.That was the EM Ranger avatar.Spoiler: it does contain my deadname though
Scratch that, there are some potentially scummy people on the wagon. Ahem, people who I will ISO later.In post 2152, DragonEater70 wrote:
I really don't think I'm "scraping the bottom of the barrel" here when 4 other pretty townie people are voting the same slot as I am.
This is why I'd purge either Cook or Delta.In post 2118, DkKoba wrote:Sure if 100% of your reads are based in mechs it doesn't help but revealing a slots alignment helps inform night actions better
He's not more active, he's actively dodging answering questions and acting oblivious rather than trying to figure things out. Like, he literally complained that nobody would engage with him so I asked him questions about scummy things he did, he didn't answer, I reminded him, and he just acted like he never saw them. That's not someone who cares about engagement, that's someone trying to not have to do things. This is not the inquisitive and thoughtful town DE70 I played with in N2114, this's his scum meta. He does realize that lurking can make pressure just go away, you know.In post 2151, Ranger wrote:Simply put, I instalocked DragonEater70 as scum last game when he actually was. Trusting that wasn't a fluke, he's town here. His play feels radically different as well. He's more active, his tone's better, and his content more varied.In post 2147, Aureal wrote:Ranger it'd be lovely if you'd actually give any sort of explanation of your reads. You've had some noticeable shifts, but then again you weren't explaining your reads in the first place so I don't know why you thought DE was towny in the first place when he's been rather scummy all game and has just decided to start scraping the bottom of the scum-barrel with nonsense.
Delta is VLA.In post 2155, Ranger wrote: Delta got a scum role PM upon replacing in and is lost on what to do. Doctor Drew was in his scum meta, tried to diverge from it with a disingenuous attack on me, yet failed.
Hi Aureal, sorry for missing these questions. It was not my intention to ignore them. I will answer them now.In post 1893, Aureal wrote:
Oh, you wanna contribute? 1. How about explaining why you decided to pester me for reads when it was like 12 hours into the game? 2. What made you think this was productive? 3. Why me specifically, do you think I'm normally giving lots of reads constantly?
4. Or how about explaining why you started to buy into my theory about Alisae, then brushed it off with a "oh no let's not repeat Aureal v. Alisae like that newbie game" which seems to imply that you promptly decided my theory was wrong and we were both town?
Is it that gard to believe that I was skimming and really didn't see the questions? Because that's the truth.In post 2156, Aureal wrote:He's not more active, he's actively dodging answering questions and acting oblivious rather than trying to figure things out. Like, he literally complained that nobody would engage with him so I asked him questions about scummy things he did, he didn't answer, I reminded him, and he just acted like he never saw them. That's not someone who cares about engagement, that's someone trying to not have to do things. This is not the inquisitive and thoughtful town DE70 I played with in N2114, this's his scum meta. He does realize that lurking can make pressure just go away, you know.In post 2151, Ranger wrote:Simply put, I instalocked DragonEater70 as scum last game when he actually was. Trusting that wasn't a fluke, he's town here. His play feels radically different as well. He's more active, his tone's better, and his content more varied.In post 2147, Aureal wrote:Ranger it'd be lovely if you'd actually give any sort of explanation of your reads. You've had some noticeable shifts, but then again you weren't explaining your reads in the first place so I don't know why you thought DE was towny in the first place when he's been rather scummy all game and has just decided to start scraping the bottom of the scum-barrel with nonsense.
It is less "doesn't want to" and more "I do not believe it is likely to be accurate at this stage of the game nor the best strategy in this specific type of game"In post 2140, DragonEater70 wrote:AniX is basically admitting that she either doesn't want to or can't form reads based on day play. I don't know which is more concerning, but I don't think she lied when she said she's a good Mafia player.In post 2119, Political Clout wrote: anix is saying implicitly that the info we get from dragoneat is better than info we get from a flip. anix is also saying dragoneat is scum. these two facts don't mesh well.
So that leaves us with "doesn't want to" form reads.
which is anti-town, but in a less scummy way than Aureal's complete disregard of actual scumhunting.
I have and will continue to reject the notion that normal metas apply to this game. This is not a normal game and people need to stop acting like it.In post 2136, Ranger wrote:In a 9p Cop + Doc vs Roleblocker setup, no-limming D1's a guarantee of not eliminating the doctor, cop, or any town.
What would your response be to a player suggesting a nolim D1 in that setup?
Same deal here.
Your logic applies to every game on mafiascum. Every game would guarantee no town elimination on D1 if they nolim D1.
There's good reason we take the risk.
why am I mafIn post 2072, DkKoba wrote: O ya kkfc is mafia too
No. Cook is a better fade.In post 2162, DkKoba wrote: can we just kill aureal and move on? like I kinda don't care to read more bad faith shade from them tbh LOL
Like read thru the points, they're all trying to frame things that look "weird" or "undesirable" (like stuff that appears anti-town on the surface) to push DE and it just gives "scum desperate to get an easy looking miskill through"
I think a key difference here is this is role madness where as a newbie is not. Even if scum kill one role, there's a lot of other roles that can also provide information, so the loss in information from not fading D1 is less impactful. In a newbie, you might no lim and have the cop immediately killed in which case no limming was clearly a poor move. Here, we have redundancies in place that makes that a less compelling argument against no limming.In post 2136, Ranger wrote:In a 9p Cop + Doc vs Roleblocker setup, no-limming D1's a guarantee of not eliminating the doctor, cop, or any town.
What would your response be to a player suggesting a nolim D1 in that setup?
Same deal here.
Your logic applies to every game on mafiascum. Every game would guarantee no town elimination on D1 if they nolim D1.
There's good reason we take the risk.
I can actually believe that.In post 2163, AniX wrote:It is less "doesn't want to" and more "I do not believe it is likely to be accurate at this stage of the game nor the best strategy in this specific type of game"In post 2140, DragonEater70 wrote:AniX is basically admitting that she either doesn't want to or can't form reads based on day play. I don't know which is more concerning, but I don't think she lied when she said she's a good Mafia player.In post 2119, Political Clout wrote: anix is saying implicitly that the info we get from dragoneat is better than info we get from a flip. anix is also saying dragoneat is scum. these two facts don't mesh well.
So that leaves us with "doesn't want to" form reads.
which is anti-town, but in a less scummy way than Aureal's complete disregard of actual scumhunting.
Why?In post 2166, Ircher wrote:No. Cook is a better fade.In post 2162, DkKoba wrote: can we just kill aureal and move on? like I kinda don't care to read more bad faith shade from them tbh LOL
Like read thru the points, they're all trying to frame things that look "weird" or "undesirable" (like stuff that appears anti-town on the surface) to push DE and it just gives "scum desperate to get an easy looking miskill through"
It REALLY irks me that you used this argument against me because if you actually remember my play from that game then you should definitely remember that I was the only one SRing Bewolkt and I was SRing them for lack of reads.In post 2156, Aureal wrote: This is not the inquisitive and thoughtful town DE70 I played with in N2114, this's his scum meta
Yeah I openly admitted that I didn't want to claim, and I've also explained why. And it's not like it's made up. I literally asked Ranger in thread if she thinks I should fake claim because I was really not happy with claiming cop and eating a bullet.In post 2156, Aureal wrote: First, he wasn't really waiting on anything to claim. Yet did wait. And wait. And wait
I present to you Ranger's explicit intent to fake claim:In post 2156, Aureal wrote: Accusing you of fakeclaiming in the process for no discernable reason that doesn't seem to have been followed up on in any way
First of all, I'm hurt. Second of all, cop is the most broken Normal role there probably is, and a prime target for kills and roleblocks. Third of all, I'm still confident we can lim scum today. Just in Newbies the amount of D1 scum lims is like 30-40% I think (but don't quote me on that), and I'm pretty sure this playerlist is better than Newbies. So yeah I'd rather not lose a 50-60% chance for a cop ability, thank you very much. And if we lim scum today then we are almost guaranteed to get another one tomorrow by way of associative tells, investigation of PoE, etc.In post 2156, Aureal wrote: Then he moves on to trying to say he didn't want to claim because he didn't want to be roleblocked/killed. When his ability is so damn useless.
Because I didn't want to claim???In post 2156, Aureal wrote: Oh, and that he didn't want to vote Koba out because of his role, but... for some reason didn't want to just say this at the time when Koba claimed
In post 1336, DragonEater70 wrote:I'm always against mechanically-motivated wagons. Not only are they not very fun, they are often wrong.In post 1320, Bingle wrote: I don’t tend to vote at all in the midst of unresolved massclaim, but so far Koba is probably the best vote, mechanically speaking.
You told me I'd cut out text as a scummy thing, I said it was cut by accident. I never said it had anything to do with you ignoring me. wtf?In post 2156, Aureal wrote: nonsensically blamed the quote feature for his insistence that I'm
the one who's ignoring him
I really don't get this logic at all, but whatever. If it's so incredibly important that THETA specifically will use Amway on town (when she could just use it on scum or on a miller and confirm them as scum or miller. Like have you actually not thought of that???), then you could pick some other towncore member instead of saying "well your suggestion to neighborize Ranger sucks so therefore it doesn't count and you haven't been engaging with me"In post 1928, Aureal wrote: I just looked back at the claim list and realized Ranger is not the place to start under my current plan, unfortunately, because we need her to use her ability on Theta tonight so Theta can be not Desperate and thus use the Amway on town tomorrow. I'll have to ponder that a little more and maybe go out on a limb with someone who's a less confident read like STD or Ircher.
Hilariously, these were breadcrumbing my actual role. My "wait until you see my fakeclaim" was actually my cheeky way of hinting at my real role.
