Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[atsi]

I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.

[Datisi]

inb4 i'm about to get more shit for shading 2 slots at the same time or whatever but like

god the conversation with skitter about dragon feels so fucking bizarre to me. "weakly defending a scumread slot" is one of the basics of scumplay. dragon is doing nothing else towny otherwise. i really struggle to see skitter discard a whole read there just because "well if he was scum he would've pushed me on entrance". if there was some meta evidence to show that dragon is a hyperlazy scum player then maybe, but it doesn't seem like there is and i just don't see it

and, IRONICALLY, skitter's defense of dragon gives me "weakly defending a scumread slot" vibes

[Datisi]

Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

why did you wait until now to say this?

[Datisi]

VOTE: infinity

can i get some of them Thoughts on why you voted there

[Datisi]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

[DragonEater70]

because her implication that shea shouldve been thinking about "how likely is it that scumsuka makes the miller claim" when he said "ausukas reaction is a bit over the top" is Bad?

When you out it that way, I can sort of see what you are getting at. But that wasn't really how I interpreted what Skitter said. Unless I'm missing something, Skitter attacked Night Shade for making a half-committed/flip-floppy (not the exact word but you get my point) read on Ausuka's reaction? Which is not what you are saying here.

Also, you say that Scum!Skitter is very good and could easily fool me by making good, sensible pushes. Could you please direct me to a scum game of hers so I could actually read it?

inb4 i'm about to get more shit for shading 2 slots at the same time or whatever but like

god the conversation with skitter about dragon feels so fucking bizarre to me. "weakly defending a scumread slot" is one of the basics of scumplay. dragon is doing nothing else towny otherwise. i really struggle to see skitter discard a whole read there just because "well if he was scum he would've pushed me on entrance". if there was some meta evidence to show that dragon is a hyperlazy scum player then maybe, but it doesn't seem like there is and i just don't see it

and, IRONICALLY, skitter's defense of dragon gives me "weakly defending a scumread slot" vibes

The thing is I have not been "weakly defending" Skitter. I said she was pretty obvious town and have been voting the slot that voted her since I repped in. So your shading of me is really unwarranted here.

Town marci

I tend to agree.

[Datisi]

Skitter attacked Night Shade for making a half-committed/flip-floppy (not the exact word but you get my point) read on Ausuka's reaction?

yeah sure, she did. that part's not great, but it's whatever. *then* she carried on with "well if you think that, then you also must think that ausuka would fakeclaim miller, and--" and i don't like that.

you can find her scumgames by going to her profile and looking at which threads she's posted in.

your defense of her is incredibly weak because "her takes are something i could have" and "they make sense" is incredibly weak reasoning that is not going to convince anyone she's town.

why do you think it's relevant to this conversation that you're voting the person who's voting skitter?

[skitter30]

@dragon fwiw i'm generally considered to have a good scumgame, dats/night shade are generally making accurate statements here

[skitter30]

Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

Was the vote in 30 a real vote, or rvs?
Trying to understand the timeline of how this scumread developed

[skitter30]

Dats u feel really performative and like over the top

[Datisi]

i don't think we have the same meaning of performative in mind because i think i'm being the opposite of performative. like i haven't actually efforted or pretend-efforted this whole game so idk

over the top maybe. i am exaggerating some things because (1) annoyed (2) game is kinda not going anywhere and maybe that helps it move along.

[skitter30]

I think I meant performative in the sense that you're using exaggerating

It makes me want to sr like all of your posts b/c they feel fake

[Ausuka]

I'm not really seeing the difference between this and how datisi usually sounds?

I also think it is generally more likely that scum dragon would defend skitter vs sheep the push, which seems like the sort of thing which scum players would intuitively avoid - something that could seem opportunistic and against a strong player - I'm not really sure why you think scum dragon doing this would be unlikely or why Datisi is scum for not agreeing with your take on that.

[Datisi]

i mean ok

i feel like it should be relatively easy to see why this is a gamestate in which i might be over the top as town as well, but y'know

if you actually want something from me lmk

[skitter30]

Not really more making an observation/asking abt it

[marcistar]

why is infinity town?

just vibes
i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>

I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.

im not holding anything elements said against dragon eater since elements seems like the type of player i am!!! very vote baitey.

[Aristeia]

i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>

I think nightshade's exasperation with you being disconnected from game state/voting is more likely to come from town who is frustrated w you and infinity's "defense" is more likely to come from mafia who is trying to get on your good side and save you for later as a pocket.

Do you have any other reason to townread infinity other than how they treated your slot?

[atsi]

Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

Was the vote in 30 a real vote, or rvs?
Trying to understand the timeline of how this scumread developed

I didn't have a good read at that point. Nothing that anyone else had said had stood out to me at that point, so a vote on her made sense to me. I had to reread the thread and think about it some more to arrive at my scumread.

[atsi]

why did you wait until now to say this?

My reads are never late, nor early. They arrive precisely when they are meant to.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: infinity

can i get some of them Thoughts on why you voted there

I feel like infinity is more interested in becoming townread than they are on killing mafia.

some of the takes I liked initially feel somewhat performative on a re-read.

In particular this reflective stepback on your slot:

VOTE: datisi i can dig this

It feels towny and in character for skitt to be like "i think this is towny and you should too" or something adjacent to that

also why as scum do we try to divert attention from a 1v1 that is probably just gonna draw more attention to itself

why does everyone scumread dats it's making me doubt the read >_>

-ivy

Infinity placed the 3rd vote and then did this stepback after jousting with you a bit which is ?? to me

nobody else voted for you after infinity did - so what is causing their concern? it's not as if they voted you and then a bunch of people popped onto the wagon.

the only people that I can see in thread who expressed "suspicion" of you between infinity's vote and their stepback/pivot are skitter and myself. so if the concern is that there's mafia who is piling on after infinity voted already then why is infinity not trying to sort either myself or skitter?

UNVOTE: yeah that's kinda how we were expecting town!dats to respond. but also dats did you make anything of 107 having a lot more weirdness associated with skitt than shea? like I know you're voting skitt but it felt a bit weird that you didn't even mention it

we still pretty strongly believe that making a level 0 read and expecting other people to think the same way is in character for skitt

also @shea marci only has 5 posts

this feels like they decided to step off your wagon already and just kind of made up an excuse to do it? I don't really find anything in your response to them very towny or difficult for scum datisi to replicate.

"infinity - i'm expecting you to have different thoughts as town lmao idk. it feels odd to me to not want to likw, idk think something about the argument and instead jump to someone else. diverting attention was probably the wrong word to use but like, if you're scum you yourself don't need to focus on the 1v1 whereas townyou would be more likely to have more extensive thoughts there"

like >??? you're basically telling infinity hi if you're town then you wouldn't do this you should do something else? like how is scum Datisi's response any different?

[Aristeia]

tldr: I think the way infinity voted and then unvoted you in 88 -> 113 is performative and I'm kind of confused why you think it's townie the way they did it.

[Datisi]

idk either

now that you said it i am interested in hearing what they found townie about my response

[Aristeia]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

I'm somewhat concerned about watching you follow the hydra slot around because it feels like the easiest way for mafia!you to get a mislim early and probably how I would approach this micro in a town!shea/black world - just get on their good side and use them to run over townies.

[Aristeia]

like I kind of think you're a much better mafia hunter than shea is[no offense shea] and like it's disconcerting to see you just be sheeping him around instead of doing your own thing >.>

[Aristeia]

though I guess this latest vote was black not shea but it still feels weird to me