Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Ircher]

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[Bingle]

It's not guaranteed, Bingle disagrees with some of the groupings, yet the 'implosion' grouping of four is guaranteed, and per game mechanics, that group of four {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub} is guaranteed to have one scum.

Not quite accurate. I disagree that all of the submitters would necessarily have cohesion between their own roles, because personally I would have submitted four roles that shared very little in common. If I wanted to make 4 roles that worked together, I'd make my own setup. I think if you are correct that all of the listmods picked cohesive lists your list is about as good as we are going to get, but I remain unconvinced that the philosophy leading to that conclusion is accurate.

With that said, your argument for specifically implo making that specific group does seem to hold water.

[Ircher]

cook's play is fine, townier than yours i might add, as i find it odd you dropped the readslist thing and are actively pushing reasoning.

This needs some citations.

[Bingle]

Oh shit I just remembered I was suppose to submit a clue to Codenames. Uhhh I'll do that and then go to sleep.

Ford 7. GGWP.

[KatyKimFanClub]

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Do you want to learn about a secret to financial freedom?

[Ircher]

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Do you want to learn about a secret to financial freedom?

Sure

[Bingle]

like "this role counters mine!!!" is the most non reasoning of all time? jingle back me up please

Nah, it's a fine balance argument. Balance arguments working here is questionable, but I definitely think Ranger believes it and Cook is scummy. I want to lim Aureal because Aureal, if scum (which I maintain explains all of the incredibly proscum behavior better than just "She's Omgusing people as her only non survivalist content and that's a fine progression")is a much bigger threat to town than Cook.

If I can't get Aureal, I will 100% be down with the Cook elimination. But first, I want to delay the game by another 3 weeks to make SkyG hate everyone and everything.

[Bingle]

Iso camelCasedSnivy and KatyKimFanClub to confirm they're town.

Isoing CCS and KKFC hasn't even convinced me they're in the playerlist, tbqh.

[Aureal]

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DON'T TAKE THE AMWAY TODAY, IRCHER

It's the only way to show that you aren't scum theatering with KKFC ._.

[camelCasedSnivy]

dude if amway has some sort of post restriction where you cant disuade anyone from joining it or smth like that it would suck ass

[Aureal]

Seriously, I left you guys time to make the point that nobody else was going to call Bingle out when he's obviously wrong about basic facts. He wants me gone today because he thinks the current 2 recruits (KKFC &Theta)+3 recruits for Theta so she can neighborize equals the SIX needed for me to roleblock.

I'd almost think this was a setup to actually put me at six and therefore support Bingle's desire to get rid of me right now. Except that would require people having paid any attention to the fact that Bingle was wrong in the first place.

[Ircher]

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DON'T TAKE THE AMWAY TODAY, IRCHER

It's the only way to show that you aren't scum theatering with KKFC ._.

Isn't it a bit late to be saying this?

[camelCasedSnivy]

but amway still runs while youre dead right

[Ircher]

Or was that sarcasm? I can't tell tbh.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Wait why shouldn't Ircher take it?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Seriously, I left you guys time to make the point that nobody else was going to call Bingle out when he's obviously wrong about basic facts. He wants me gone today because he thinks the current 2 recruits (KKFC &Theta)+3 recruits for Theta so she can neighborize equals the SIX needed for me to roleblock.

Oh I see now. You WANT to stay below 6?

[Bingle]

Seriously, I left you guys time to make the point that nobody else was going to call Bingle out when he's obviously wrong about basic facts. He wants me gone today because he thinks the current 2 recruits (KKFC &Theta)+3 recruits for Theta so she can neighborize equals the SIX needed for me to roleblock.

I'd almost think this was a setup to actually put me at six and therefore support Bingle's desire to get rid of me right now. Except that would require people having paid any attention to the fact that Bingle was wrong in the first place.

Except that I'm unsure whether I count towards that number. I don't get powers, or information. I did agree to join Amway. Theta needs 3. 3 + Theta + KKFC + potentially me is 6.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Who recruited Bingle to amway? o.o

[DkKoba]

like "this role counters mine!!!" is the most non reasoning of all time? jingle back me up please

Nah, it's a fine balance argument. Balance arguments working here is questionable, but I definitely think Ranger believes it and Cook is scummy. I want to lim Aureal because Aureal, if scum (which I maintain explains all of the incredibly proscum behavior better than just "She's Omgusing people as her only non survivalist content and that's a fine progression")is a much bigger threat to town than Cook.

If I can't get Aureal, I will 100% be down with the Cook elimination. But first, I want to delay the game by another 3 weeks to make SkyG hate everyone and everything.

i dont doubt that they as town could believe that.

but the reasoning is bunk

[Ircher]

I guess I'll indulge DragonEater and talk some about why I'm town reading AniX. It's on the longer side (mainly because I wrote too many words and less because of the number of points I'm making), so I'm spoiler-ing it.

Spoiler:

AniX started out Day 1 with a very high mechanical focus (and arguably continues to have a large focus on mechanics.) While this could be construed as scum trying to hide behind mechanics to avoid scum hunting, I get the opposite impression from AniX. For instance, AniX did a good job explaining why DragonEater's action/role could be scum indicative in 220. You don't necessarily have to agree with the reasoning here (or the conclusion); what matters is that AniX is using the information AniX is collecting about roles to determine alignments. It's an unconventional approach, but AniX gave a good explanation about why it's a viable and perhaps worthwhile approach in 601 and 1071.

We then have the whole no elimination suggestion from AniX. Once again, this is something very easy for people to give a surface level of take of "no lim is bad and is only suggested by scum", but the way that AniX went about this is town. It is town indicative because AniX clearly explains why in 1955 is viable and directly gives a counterargument that explains why the traditional argument against no lim doesn't apply here. This is again a case of "you don't have to agree with the reasoning", but the motivations behind it ring as town-aligned. AniX isn't bringing up no lim because AniX is scum thinking AniX can fool us into it; AniX brought it up because AniX believes it is an optimal play for town, and that is town indicative because it shows that AniX has town interests in mind.

I expect some of you will be, "But surely scum AniX could do these same things!" That may be true, but I don't think it would come to the same depth. Scum want to avoid doing things that attract unnecessary attention, and scum also like to have more wishy-washy stances so that they can backtrack more easily later in the game. AniX has taken firm stances here and provided solid reasoning behind them (again, you don't have to agree with it) to support that AniX isn't doing it just for show but because AniX believes in the stances.

[Bingle]

Who recruited Bingle to amway? o.o

Theta. We used that and DE to prove that I’m trueclaiming about not being able to get powers.

[Bingle]

but amway still runs while youre dead right

It does. Aureal was explicit that limming her with two towny amway players alive would keep amway alive.

[DragonEater70]

Ranger please give me your AniX towncase so I can townbin you.

Honestly, I've forgotten why I townread AniX.

I don't really think AniX is scum; I've no reason for it. Right now, gut I guess.

Sorry, I know it's not the answer you want.

Sorry this was aimed at Ircher

[DragonEater70]

Cook is in my group of four, guaranteed.

That's not true though.

[DragonEater70]

You know what, time to scumcase Ranger.

That'll be interesting.

So I went to sleep and I kinda forgot why I even said I would scumcase you? Give me a bit, it might come back to me.