Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[Alianna]

No VC, but I'm stealing the pagetop.

[usesPython]

prodge

[Infinity 324]

gonna ask flavor some questions to try and clarify

@flavor
Why does sk!python soft the inno on monkey and then kill him?
Was the gunsmith claim a good play for sk!drew?
How risky was it for python to agree to being limmed last day phase?

[Flavor Leaf]

To setup a fake claim

Eh, not really at face value.

Decent risk, not super high, but a decent amount for sure— I was also tunneling Snivy.

[Infinity 324]

To setup a fake claim

yeah but why that fakeclaim. and why risk killing him idk

[Flavor Leaf]

Like don’t get me wrong, I see Drew SK potential.

But end of the day, Drew played a buddy route on me, if true, and gut and vibe don’t want time to vote Drew, and mech wise, it works for both as scum.

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

I’m not 100% expecting to win with it by any means, and at times, I feel like Python is town.

But I just think the dynamic was irreparable after D3. The damage was done.

[Flavor Leaf]

To setup a fake claim

yeah but why that fakeclaim. and why risk killing him idk

In a PythonSK world, they have to set something up.

I originally thought HEM was killed so Python’s read would be validated and that was one of my initial reads on Python.

[Flavor Leaf]

i have a shitty role

i have a shitty role

Can't be that bad.

This is a point for Drew town, I think. DrewSK would have to have known STD was a Backup Cop, so them saying can’t be that bad is a little odd.

Gunsmith wise, this makes sense that Drew thinks that having a gun couldn’t be that bad, which is kind of the way Drew played.

[Infinity 324]

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

isn't the same thing true for python? if python is scum who can be rb'ed they lose tonight even if drew is limmed

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

isn't the same thing true for python? if python is scum who can be rb'ed they lose tonight even if drew is limmed

Not necessarily. Python was already talking about Day 3 how they could just no kill and push a frame or something that day, so if they are an Ascetic or some unblockable, they just auto win.

[Flavor Leaf]

On a mech level, I’m like 40-60 it’s Python-Drew.

On a gut-vibe level, I’m 80-20 Python-Drew.

I’m going with gut and vibes.

[Doctor Drew]

i have a shitty role

i have a shitty role

Can't be that bad.

This is a point for Drew town, I think. DrewSK would have to have known STD was a Backup Cop, so them saying can’t be that bad is a little odd.

Gunsmith wise, this makes sense that Drew thinks that having a gun couldn’t be that bad, which is kind of the way Drew played.

I wasn't even thinking of modifications and variants of roles, just was thinking that the only role I would consider shitty that I could gunsmith was neopolitan.

So odds were, in my head, std didn't have a shitty role......which I was wrong about lol.

[usesPython]

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

isn't the same thing true for python? if python is scum who can be rb'ed they lose tonight even if drew is limmed

Not necessarily. Python was already talking about Day 3 how they could just no kill and push a frame or something that day, so if they are an Ascetic or some unblockable, they just auto win.

FL we don't no lim here ever. In the SK!Python that can be rb'd world even if Drew gets limmed we'd get RB'd and then limmed the next day. Mechanically speaking even in the SK!Python world we'd be able to ignore tonights roleblock

[usesPython]

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco

Or shoot Snivy which is probably what actually happened

[usesPython]

To setup a fake claim

We just checked every role in the list, here's every role that could have gotten a n1 green check:

Informed Townie

You know the identity of a random town protective or investigative power role. If there are no such players, you are instead given the identity of a random town power role. If there are no such players, you are instead given the identity of a random town player. You do not know any specifics about their role or which one of these conditions were met, you know only the player's name.

Town Loyal Checker

Town Odd-Night Neapolitan

Town Multitasking N1 Role Cop N2 Combined Complex Checker Vigilante N2 N3 Doctor

To clarify:
- This role is Multitasking, and may perform several actions on the same night when it has them.
- This role has a Role Cop action Night One.
- This role has a Complex Checker Vigilante action Night Two (a kill and a Checker which only works on non-Vanilla roles)
- This role has a Doctor action Night Two and Night Three.

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This role has been errata'd to become normal. Its original form was:

Town Combined Multitasking Night-one Role Cop Night-two Vanilla Cop One-shot Complex Vigilante Indecisive Night-two Night-three Doctor

Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor

Each night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability.

Once in the game during night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability and learn if they are

Town

or

Not Town

.

Town Jack-of-All-Trades

(Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)

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Since the first 100 roles posted were already chosen to make a full game, we could run a version of this game now by restricting to the first 100 using the percentile dice method Cook suggested before. Cook, would you like to run it or let someone else do it? (I will if no one else will, but tbh I'd rather play in it.)

In fact it might not be a bad idea to choose all sets of 100 this same way; then you could run a range-restricted Normal Idea for any set of consecutive posts [100

n

, 100

n

+99], or perhaps any union of those sets.

Town Combined Detective Psychologist

Town 1-shot Role Cop

Once in the game during night, you may learn a player's role.

Town Bulletproof Multitasking Cop Rolecop Follower [Loyal Mailman]

Town Macho Neapolitan

go ahead, which fakeclaim were we setting up? All of these would either claim their results earlier (Informed), wouldn't result in HEM dying n2 (Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor), would require HEM to be a unique town role (Rolecop) or Vanilla Town (Neapolitan), would require us to make a provable action (Vigilante), or would require us to give more green checks for the rest of the game

[usesPython]

actually nvm forgot Weak roles got posted and would give green checks too

[usesPython]

actually nvm forgot Weak roles got posted and would give green checks too

Actually the only weak roles are

Town Compulsive Weak Vigilante

Town Jack-of-All-Trades

(Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)

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Since the first 100 roles posted were already chosen to make a full game, we could run a version of this game now by restricting to the first 100 using the percentile dice method Cook suggested before. Cook, would you like to run it or let someone else do it? (I will if no one else will, but tbh I'd rather play in it.)

In fact it might not be a bad idea to choose all sets of 100 this same way; then you could run a range-restricted Normal Idea for any set of consecutive posts [100

n

, 100

n

+99], or perhaps any union of those sets.

Town Weak Roaming Vigilante

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If I were to run one of these, what game size and faction distribution would people be interested in playing?

14p maybe? though if you want 2 of each team + a sk then 14p wouldn’t cut it

15p no sk could work i think

so we'd only be able to claim the Weak Hider JOAT

[usesPython]

And given that the only SK's we could be are:

Even-Night Compulsive Babysitter Odd-Night Jailkeeper Serial Killer [M]
3-Shot Strongman Rolecop Serial Killer [M]
Ascetic Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

that still wouldn't be a viable fake claim because we wouldn't be able to convincingly fake the tracker results with any of these

[Flavor Leaf]

Python keeps acting like I am considering a no lim, didn’t know what they were talking about,

But I’m no way shape or form am I for a No fade.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Drew wins the vibe check.

[Flavor Leaf]

Too much mech talk going around.

[usesPython]

Python keeps acting like I am considering a no lim, didn’t know what they were talking about,

But I’m no way shape or form am I for a No fade.

Then stop posting mech that only works if you assume a no lim is possible today

[usesPython]

Too much mech talk going around.

Yeah well when all your reads on us are mechanically impossible no shit there's gonna be a lot of mech

[usesPython]

Like I encourage you to go through the list of possible roles to see what's actually claimable, your logic works in a closed but not in this specific setup

[usesPython]

Drew can't claim anything crazy because there aren't any workable crazy roles submitted, we couldn't have been setting up for an investigative fakeclaim because there aren't any workable fakeclaims for that