Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

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It’s more of a means to an end with you.

I was right with Uno and Bianco very early, and I even successfully felt STD was town after initially thinking they were scum before giving in there.

Right now, I’m leaning it’s Infinity, but idk. I kinda shut my mind off with it since my setup doesn’t require me to know it, just requires the net not having holes in it.

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I’m leaning Infinity too, and probably could have faded them today, but Dragon Eater seems like they wanted to shoot there, so didn’t think about the possibility of fading Infinity shooting Python (testing a BP + possibility Python already got shot)

Idk.

Always fade Python tomorrow, we double block if games not over

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Neat

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How does 2 deaths happen?

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Here’s the thing—

I’m probably not voting Drew here.

I do believe it is in one of Python or Infinity.

I will spend some time on this tomorrow.

We have a ‘chance’ at getting through a misfade, but I will be shooting to win.

I don’t get how 2 kills went through, but I guess we talk about possibilities of that.

I am hoping Yimmy roleblocked Drew. Based on the last game I played with them, I feel that they would have done so and followed the plan had they seen.

Uhm…yeah

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Even-Night Compulsive Babysitter Odd-Night Jailkeeper Serial Killer [M]

I think…this is probably the role?

Dragon shoots Infinity, Infinity Babysits Yimmy, Infinity kills Dragon?

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Frankly, I will be playing like none of the players went rogue with the plan.

Drew is cleared from Roleblock.


Drew, confirm if you received the notification that Yimmy is town.

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oh thats right. hmm

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why wouldnt it be Python doing that, though?

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interesting.

this means it's Python or Drew then.

Idk. I still don't buy Drew Rolecopped STD as SK, and if he did, good for him for getting past me. I just correctly read Drew as town in a game a lot scum read too, though, so I'm feeling nice with my Drew read.

I am open to the idea I am wrong, though. I'll take some time.

I am leaning Python, though, but this could be a thing of who i'd rather lose to.

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the No Kill night doesn't go in Python's favor imo, but if a roleblocker is confirmed to be in play, that might lean Drew.

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So Dragon Vig's Infinity, but Loyal Bodyguard, they jump in front of their own shot, and takes the kill?

Meaning Inf is likely conf town?

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okay, so glad that did end up working itself out.

it might make sense to go Drew in the case I can block Python still.

I think I'm now leaning Drew.

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Python's play would have to be super strong if scum, and not that I don't think they could do it, I just don't think that's what's happening here.

I'm probably gonna go Drew.

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I still don't buy Drew Rolecopped STD as SK,

Who should Drew have been rolecopping then? Rolecopping in the active people's a waste of a rolecop given that mafia is probably shooting there

Me, you, Infinity.

That's a good point with the Mafia likely to shoot there so could be a waste of a RoleCop.

Credible cause for my main defense.

Devil's advocate is always the best play.

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VOTE: Drew

Yeah, I'm happy with it.

Glad we went this path.

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Python just knows way too much mechanically in a perfect kinda way to be so perfect with everything mech wise, where they earned the win if they're SK.

Drew been warlocking me. I was aware of it, but sometimes it takes a flip to break out of the spell.

Snivy flip and losing their love broke the spell that the evil warlock had on me.

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UNVOTE: Drew

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@Infinity - I just believe Drew's genuine here, idk.

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A wise man once told me, 'Don't overthink it. Enchant is scum'.

They were right.

VOTE: Python

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Meh, your first instinct is correct FL, I am gunsmith.

But if we still win no matter what do what we gotta do.

who did you gunsmith last night?

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UNVOTE: Python

ill hold out for now

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why dragon, they were conf town.

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Actually we should extend that to its logical conclusion: The fact that the game is still going means that SK can get around a roleblock, which means one of:

Even-Night Compulsive Babysitter Odd-Night Jailkeeper Serial Killer [M]
3-Shot Strongman Rolecop Serial Killer [M]
Ascetic Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

It actually can’t be the Ascetic SK or Even Night Conpulsive

It would have to be MLTITASK SK DocRCRB or 3 shot strongman RC SK

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I just get more conniving vibes from Python.

They just feel like they’ve had an agenda.

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Why does a SK Drew say they gunsmithed Dragon last night?

I just don’t feel a SK is that unaware of the gamestate.

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I just keep going back to the roleblock on Python and double No kill.

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Python automatically gets the double kill just by killing Yimmy slot.

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I just get more conniving vibes from Python.

They just feel like they’ve had an agenda.

Getting flashbacks to dividing connor ngl

Nah, this is completely different, even if you were town here.

Don't like this.

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Yeah, this is DrewTown.

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I just get more conniving vibes from Python.

They just feel like they’ve had an agenda.

Getting flashbacks to dividing connor ngl

Nah, this is completely different, even if you were town here.

We got called pocketing for playstyle there and we're getting called having an agenda for playstyle here, I'd say it's pretty similar

Nah, this is endgame, I faded you on Day 1 there. Here I've been back and forth on your slot for a while.

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I also have that game of experience with you now, and while I can see some similarities, I don't feel it's similar at all.

If we wanna talk similarities, I am getting a lot of DrewTown vibes from games I've similarly town read Drew in.

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Nah, this is endgame, I faded you on Day 1 there. Here I've been back and forth on your slot for a while.

You went back and forth on our slot there too, 240 hours or 5 dayphases doesn't make that much of a difference

Disagree. Flips change things.

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I just get more conniving vibes from Python.

They just feel like they’ve had an agenda.

Getting flashbacks to dividing connor ngl

the thing I don't like about this the most is that what's being pushed as similar isnt the thing that I actually am paranoid is similar.

That game came down to me knowing I was being pocketed, like...I KNEW I was being pocketed by Merlyn end game, and I couldn't vote them.

Like Drew and I just feel like we've town read each other here, and I don't necessarily feel pocketed. Like, I can see the Warlock path, I mentioned it earlier, but with Dividing Connor, it was a much bigger struggle.

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Yeah, this is DrewTown.

Drew is in his uninformed game not his town game

I modded Drew scum earlier this year, and he does not play it uninformed. I have more experience with scumHim than that, but that's close up my most recent game.

He gambits a lot better than the gunsmith play, I agree with him on that accord.

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I just get more conniving vibes from Python.

They just feel like they’ve had an agenda.

Getting flashbacks to dividing connor ngl

the thing I don't like about this the most is that what's being pushed as similar isnt the thing that I actually am paranoid is similar.

That game came down to me knowing I was being pocketed, like...I KNEW I was being pocketed by Merlyn end game, and I couldn't vote them.

Like Drew and I just feel like we've town read each other here, and I don't necessarily feel pocketed. Like, I can see the Warlock path, I mentioned it earlier, but with Dividing Connor, it was a much bigger struggle.

We're not talking about late game dividing connor, we're talking about the day 1 mislim on us that game

I'll fade an IC day 1 to move on, whats your point

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eh, i dont think it's similar.

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i think youre grasping at straws

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if you're town here, your tactics to get me to town read you just dont get how you expect them to have worked here

it just looks like scum upset im not town reading you, and youre on the verge of losing.

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Shouldn't have been pushing me and acting like I had to be Mafia earlier. Dragon messed that play up with the Bianco kill.

VOTE: Python

If Drew's SK, I doubt they come off this uninformed tbh.

I'm okay with this as a loss if Drew is SK here then.

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Yeah, shoulda just went Python.

Python got me hooked on the idea that Scum Drew couldn’t stop a roleblock, so didn’t expect a 2 kill night.

Python was always the fade this day phase, if they’re town, they just came after me too much this game and wrecked credibility against me.

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And then the No kills on the night Python blocked.

The wild mafia push, and then the attitude that they’ve been squeaky clean here just makes me wanna fade them and face the consequences if they are town.

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There were 4 other townies that could have pointed out this scenario and didn't, acting like this loss is entirely on us is scummy af

Misrep.

Not entirely on you at all, just a thread of the consequences.

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Stuff like that I don’t like.

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You tried and put effort into town, but if Drew is scum, they banked on you and I fighting a lot, which is fair. But it got to the point where I just am gonna vote you.

Is there a world where I see Drew is SK? Sure.

But following my gut read here, I’m going here. If town, you and i needed to cultivate fancies much earlier, I feel, and I’ve felt conditional vibes the whole game from you, which i naturally find scummy.

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Day 3 + No Kill Night 4, plus vibe check vs Drew is why I’m voting you over Drew.

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Then it’s a matter of circumstance and Drew played this game well enough to win it

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How about we wait until Day 4 to sort Leaf and Python?

I mean this back and forth is fun to watch and all but.....

(I am actually jealous I am not a part, love arguing with both parties)

Why did this become so difficult?

Not a loaded question, I should have just waited for std to claim before I did lol.

Problem is we have to stubborn players butting heads(love ya both, but a spade is a spade).

My gut still says go with std here.....also are we still missing a claim or two?

Like i can see it, but i still see Python SK possibilities, and if it’s in coin flip territory for me, I go with gut and vibe check.

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I’m also okay with this being my worst year of ELO in the decade I’ve been on site if so.

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Frankly, still think it’s ridiculous people thought I could be Mafia with UNO here ever

That’s some surface scum play that even newer scum don’t really even do.

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Day 3 + No Kill Night 4, plus vibe check vs Drew is why I’m voting you over Drew.

If we were SK that could get roleblocked then the game would be over by concession already, the Night 3 no kill was most likely either Drew holstering or Drew shooting Snivy and running into Infinity's protect

nah youd just push it as a Drew frame tomorrow if you got roleblocked

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Infinity, I'm willing to lose if Python is town, I'm not willing to lose if Drew is town here.

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Regardless, if Python is town, I can just say my bad games were games that Python and I were both town in

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this could be a lesson in how to beat FL town in ELO.

Just have good vibes, and im probably gonna vibe check not fade you.

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damn why didnt yall see that double kill thing coming, coulda saved us a lot of trouble

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we just need infinity, not much else to do without them.

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To setup a fake claim

Eh, not really at face value.

Decent risk, not super high, but a decent amount for sure— I was also tunneling Snivy.

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Like don’t get me wrong, I see Drew SK potential.

But end of the day, Drew played a buddy route on me, if true, and gut and vibe don’t want time to vote Drew, and mech wise, it works for both as scum.

Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

I’m not 100% expecting to win with it by any means, and at times, I feel like Python is town.

But I just think the dynamic was irreparable after D3. The damage was done.

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To setup a fake claim

yeah but why that fakeclaim. and why risk killing him idk

In a PythonSK world, they have to set something up.

I originally thought HEM was killed so Python’s read would be validated and that was one of my initial reads on Python.

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i have a shitty role

i have a shitty role

Can't be that bad.

This is a point for Drew town, I think. DrewSK would have to have known STD was a Backup Cop, so them saying can’t be that bad is a little odd.

Gunsmith wise, this makes sense that Drew thinks that having a gun couldn’t be that bad, which is kind of the way Drew played.

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Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

isn't the same thing true for python? if python is scum who can be rb'ed they lose tonight even if drew is limmed

Not necessarily. Python was already talking about Day 3 how they could just no kill and push a frame or something that day, so if they are an Ascetic or some unblockable, they just auto win.

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On a mech level, I’m like 40-60 it’s Python-Drew.

On a gut-vibe level, I’m 80-20 Python-Drew.

I’m going with gut and vibes.

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Python keeps acting like I am considering a no lim, didn’t know what they were talking about,

But I’m no way shape or form am I for a No fade.

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Yeah, Drew wins the vibe check.

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Too much mech talk going around.

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flavor one thing that's holding me back is idk why sk!python went after you so hard d3. like getting you limmed there doesn't benefit scum that much and it puts them in a bad spot if you get cleared.

@python loyal checker/combined detective psychologist seem reasonable to me? it's strange play tbf

It does if Bianco isn’t killed and prior to the knowledge of Blue being a Roleblocker

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Alright i retract that statement mostly cuz I’m done hearing about it

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Zzzzzzzz

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Vote who you wanna vote

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You kinda a stinker

Failed a vibe check

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Ya never know, maybe Drew will hammer themselves.

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V/LA for 2 days

sorry y'all we're sick. may get to this at some point depending on how we're feeling

Noted.

- Alianna

Maybe just sit vote on Doctor Drew while you VLA, the worst that could happen is Drew self hammers

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Prodge

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I watch most movies that come out.

Across The Spider-verse was very good. It’s separate from the MCU (Disney’s) so it’s really it’s own thing. Probably gets Best Animated for Oscar’s next year, unless Disney’s Wish blows up later this year.

The new Ninja Turtles was super fun. It runs a little younger, and they aren’t my Turts, but I enjoyed Seth Rogen’s new interpretation.

Blue Beetle is another superhero, it’s being considered the first film of the new era of DC, and I have decently high hopes with James Gunn spearheading, and DC normally was like meh for me, at least with this current iteration. Like Christopher Nolan’s Batman’s are GOATED for me, and I liked the new Batman with Robert Pattinson a lot. But yeah, Blue Beetle felt like Iron Man/SpiderMan/Ant Man with a Hispanic background, and i thought it came together really well. Nothing ground breaking or new, but super solid.

Barbie is an amazing movie. Super great blockbuster, deeper than most blockbusters disguised as a typical Summer blockbuster. Can’t say enough about it, but super fun, I was laughing through the whole time, and it brought an amazing sense of joy.

Oppenheimer is absolutely amazing, an absolute spectacle. It’s mostly all dialogue, but I really do think it’s probably the best movie of the year on a cinematic level. I enjoyed a lot of the performances in it, and frankly, RDJ killed it. Christopher Nolan’s one of my favorite directors, imo his best movie is The Prestige, which is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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If we go back further in the year, John Wick Chapter 4 was insanely good if you like fight choreography. One of my favorites this year.

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I could see it being Drew.

I’m not gonna lie, no clue what i meant by it anymore, but I’ve kinda left this game and leaving it up to your decision.

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I think Python made sense to be the correct lim on that day and yesterday, but i had checked out with mech a while ago.

I’m not confident either, and it’s a WIFOM circle, imo.

Idk. I just don’t see this as some wildly strong SK game Drew’s played if they’re SK. I just feel like they’re town in the background, and their even night gunsmith just feels weak as scum.

Like if they are SK, i don’t necessarily feel it was a good game, even if they won, but end of the day, they would win.

I just felt Drew did more when I saw them as scum.

Also, Python was originally on board with Snivy wagon, but then when I tunneled harder, they switched over to Drew.

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The night we roleblocked Python and Bianco, the only kill was Dragon’s kill on Bianco.

Python said Drew just tried to kill Snivy.

Python always has some mech reason that finds the loophole, and that’s why i think going against mech is okay here.

Python also was free to kill Yimmy last night

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Like from a mech POV I don't think the game is that complicated, Drew shot HEM n2 cause of the green check, Snivy n3 cause he was a Loyal Checker, and DragonEater n4 to prevent the game from being mechanically locked

He claimed gunsmith instead of anything crazier because there wasn't anything crazy that he could logically claim

Yes, but from your pov, you don’t have the WIFOM Infinity and I have, so it’s weird you wanna expect it from us without knowing your slot.

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yeahh that's the thing i just don't get why my gut disagrees >_>

I think on a mech level, the game looks like Drew.

On a gut level, it’s Python.

Drew had a mech clear when they were scum in my game, and the town lost because mech confirmed Drew as town when they were scum.

I think that may be happening here.

I’d also feel less bad losing to Drew winning than Python sleazing their way to a victory.

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I’m going back and forth on a daily basis here.

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I almost wanna say DE shooting Infinity is like not up for debate here.

Like I’ll feel bad if Drew ends up being SK, but I think I just can’t move off Python.

If Python is town here, then I know in the future, when Python and I are T/T, I’m likely to get pocketed.

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You’re the only one debating the DE kill.

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I think let’s just go with Python, Infinity

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It looks like Python’s setting up a situation where Drew flips town where it can be Infinity.

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It’s possible. I don’t even know either way tbh.

I have lost all sense of mech this game.

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I see both, it’s a WIFOM circle.

Mech says Drew, gut says you.

I pick gut

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I don’t think I’m tunneled or pocketed at this point

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There was a time earlier this day phase I was waiting for Infinity to vote Drew so I could insta hammer obvSKDrew, but I WIFOMED back and forth, and gut still says Drew is just town here

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Infinity, just hammer

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Damn, my reads were actually good this game.

I thought this was about to turn into a rough game for me.

I felt bad after the Snivy wagon, but it worked out the way I thought it would, but i did get nervous with Drew a few times because the mech was not in his favor.

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Two games in a row my gut town read on Drew was correct

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But damn, they tried to N1 kill me

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I had to turn my mech brain off day I needed Snivy.

It was the only thing blocking me for possibilities.

And with Drew RB possibilities, and knowing Python had a missed kill.

We got there, though, Infinity.

That last day was wild, i went back and forth so much in my mind