Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Aristeia]

like the last time we played together - she claimed miller d1 and was upset about being a miller - I pushed her because I didn't believe her, we got into a big fight about it - it wasn't pleasant for either of us.

so I thought if she's mafia and she remembers that experience, she wouldn't want to repeat it - because if I push her she has to fight me and that's not pleasant nor does she really want to get that kind of attention?

[Aristeia]

I don't remember how long I pushed her but it got heated/unpleasant and then I got into a fight with some other person about something else entirely unrelated and then I repped out.

this is the link;

viewtopic.php?t=89756

[skitter30]

tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

like, to me sharing reads then makes most sense if you think you could possibly get nightkilled, which there was a 0 percent chance of happening to dragon eater. for me at least if i don't think i have things i want to share before i (potentially) die i would usually just wait until d2 so i could see an extra flip and read with that context?

the response from dragon eater being to make a reads list just felt like "oh fuck i was careless and accidentally fucked up all my town cred, i feel like i'm letting my partner down! i need to do towny things asap"

This push is kinda weird as a partner too

[Aristeia]

true I remember thinking that post was p townie when I read it

[skitter30]

Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

UNVOTE:

Did you think you were voting dragon this whole time? There never was a dragon vote

[skitter30]

And honestly what *are* the odds someone rolls miller 3x in a row

I don't really see any reason to townread ausuka

I don't think it's ausuka/dragon

[Aristeia]

um just looking around 750

I posted that atsi was at the bottom of my readlist in 742 and then dragons voted atsi and then ausuka voted atsi so why can't they be just voting together to push atsi since I was scumreading the slot?

[skitter30]

Wdym
She never voted day2, there's only an unvote in 750. I'm curious who she thought she was voting

[skitter30]

I think Ausuka's push on me in 473 is probably more likely a town push than a scum push

that being said, I still don't like Ausuka's opening but the emotion in that opening feels real

anyway I can't read ausuka's questioning as town or scum, but I see undertones of caught scum especially with trying to insist that I was crumbing traitor for some arcane reason

ok

VOTE: temporallich

Unless i'm missing something v obvious this is her last vote

[Aristeia]

Ari what are your up to date reads?

rn;

T

Ausuka
Datisi
Dragons
Skitter
Marci
Atsi

S

kind of just waiting atp to see why Marci thinks I'm mafia and if Atsi will do anything other than show up every 2 days to say "dragon is mafia"

Umm can we just lim atsi? I'm still having doubts about Skitter.

VOTE: atsi

Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

UNVOTE:

VOTE: atsi

I think this is the best vote maybee

I'm talking about this progression looking unnatural.

[skitter30]

Oh yeah
I was iso-ing and not.reading in order
Regardless i'm curious if she thought she was voting dragons the whole time -

If they're partnered that's a weird progression, i think ausuka would be cleaner?

[Aristeia]

ausuka why aren't you voting dragon

to annoy you specifically

[Aristeia]

I don't think when people bus their partners they do it cleanly and by the book every time because that seems incredibly predictable

[Aristeia]

if a bus looked like a bus it would defeat the point of bussing in the first place.

[Aristeia]

if anything it feels like she got everything she would want from D2 if she's partnered with Dragons?

she got to distance enough from him that now you think they're not partnered.

she didn't have to really even vote for Dragons or put him in real danger of being voted off.

once the heat died down they saw an oppurtunity to yeet atsi and just went for it and got to elo with both alive and distanced.

so like what's wrong with the way she played it if they're a team?

[skitter30]

I don't think when people bus their partners they do it cleanly and by the book every time because that seems incredibly predictable

I mean i try to be as clean as possible

[skitter30]

I kinda want to bop you ari but then i feel like i should apply that to all 3 of you

[skitter30]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

I'm somewhat concerned about watching you follow the hydra slot around because it feels like the easiest way for mafia!you to get a mislim early and probably how I would approach this micro in a town!shea/black world - just get on their good side and use them to run over townies.

[skitter30]

i am kind of worried about how confident datisi is about dragoneater being lying scum because i don't even see the incentive to lie about hammering temporal lich cuz he already claimed VT and was on 4 votes

[skitter30]

I kind of feel like scum Datisi doesn't have a reason to pivot to 1v 1ing skitter instead of just running over DragonEater here because like running over DragonEater feels like the easiest thing for scum Datisi to do?

[Aristeia]

I kinda want to bop you ari but then i feel like i should apply that to all 3 of you

bop me for what? this is elo already?

[skitter30]

like to me it's never Datisi + Ausuka because of the way Datisi kept badgering me to justify the Ausuka townread for "miller" reasons is just bizarre to do if he's partnered with her?

so Dragons is always mafia with one of them, I prefer to yeet him, but like if you refuse to do it then I don't really have a choice in the matter?

Would you mind quoting where this was happening?

[Aristeia]

why is ausuka town to you

bonus points if you do not use the word "miller" in your explaination

[Aristeia]

i just saw her talking about dragon on this page (655 specifically) and i just had a "oh. oh no." moment

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

[Aristeia]

774 was to you, 666/674 was when he sused her and I defended her and then he was digging in on why my reasoning for townreading her was bad