Open 884: Another Newbie Game | Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you saying that Dannflor already decided that you were mafia?

Kinda? The caveat is that as scum it wouldn’t be he was reading that way, instead that he decided to “read” me that way.

[Dannflor]

I think Gamma was saying he thought I had a planned trajectory to start scum reading him

and tbh I develop that conspiracy theory sort of read as town a lot so I’m kinda townreading Gamma for that

[Dannflor]

Oh he explained

Anyway the Mr. K post I thought was scummy because it like telegraphed what he was going to do

“Going to see what Cook does and then think and make a decision”

It feels a little LAMIST and I see that type of posting from scum more often that are trying to make their thought processes seem real

And i don’t really know that that signposting is necessary or would seem useful to town that wants to put pressure on Cook to do something

[Dannflor]

I’ll be around by deadline so I can move back to Cook if need be

I don’t think Cook’s catchup is like particularly towny or anything and if that’s looking like the default elim Cook should probably just claim

[Dannflor]

Dunnstral not really knowing what to do here and admitting it might be towny?

[DragonEater70]

VC 1.9

Vote Count 1.9

Cook (3 = E-2): Mr.K, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald
Infinity 324 (2): OopsieDaisy, Cook
Mr.K (1): Dannflor

Not voting (3): KittyTacky, PurpleMango, Dunnstral

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in

(expired on 2023-09-24 23:20:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at when the deadline is aim probably going to be asleep at that point

[Dannflor]

VOTE: cook

[Cook]

i might not wake up by deadline so i'll claim

i'm vt

[Cook]

i think you find scum in {Gamma, Dann, Infinity, Mr.K}

i would be surprised if dannflor wasn't vt

and uuuh that's about it

good luck folks

[heipizhu4]

The day deadline is in 6 hours.

[KittyTacky]

I don't think scum claims anything except VT here. I do think Cook is... the least bad choice. The game is quiet so scum can easily blend in by either lurking or being moderately active-- both strats work well at this size so I really don't know. But...

Spoiler: Animated gifs

VOTE: Cook

[KittyTacky]

Sorry if town.

[heipizhu4]

VC 1.FINAL

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Cook (5 = Eliminated): Mr.K, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, Dannflor, KittyTacky
Infinity 324 (2): OopsieDaisy, Cook

Not voting (2): PurpleMango, Dunnstral

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-09-24 23:20:00)

[heipizhu4]

Cook has been eliminated. She is a

Vannila Townie

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, Cook, to Open 884!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Night 1 starts. The night deadline is in (expired on 2023-09-26 05:40:05).
Please send me your night actions via pm to me.

[heipizhu4]

I don't think scum claims anything except VT here. I do think Cook is... the least bad choice. The game is quiet so scum can easily blend in by either lurking or being moderately active-- both strats work well at this size so I really don't know. But...

Spoiler: Animated gifs

VOTE: Cook

Animated GIFs

- are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.

[heipizhu4]

OopsieDaisy has been killed. She is a

Vannila Townie

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, OopsieDaisy, to Open 884!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Day 2 starts! The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-03 07:48:32).

[heipizhu4]

VC 2.0

Vote Count 2.0

Not voting : (7 players)

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-03 07:48:32)

[Mr.K]

So we have two towns now, of whom:

Daisy said she would vote anyone but "OopsieDaisy, Dannflor or KittyTacky" (leaving Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Mr.K, Infinity 324, Purplemango).

Cook said she'd think we'd find scum in "Gamma, Dann, Infinity, Mr.K" so there's quite a bit of overlap, especially when Cook also added that she'd be surprised if Dann wasn't town.

I obviously don't particularly enjoy being one of the three overlapping names but also don't think the overlap necessarily means anything. Just drawing together the information we have from confirmed town.

What strikes me odd about the kill is that Daisy wasn't exactly the most obvious option I think. Pretty much everyone agreed that Kitty would be town, for example, so killing Kitty would have made more sense... unless he's actually scum.... unless they deliberately chose to keep Kitty alive to make us think he's scum, especially him being the one hammering the kill (which I myself don't think is an indication of anything in this particular case, we were running out of time - especially when Dann said he'd be around at deadline).

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All of the above is just me gathering my thoughts and not really implying anything.

However, now that I think of the final votes, a couple of things do come to mind: if Kitty's scum and Dann is town, wouldn't it have been easier for Kitty to not hammer? He'd trust Dann to take all the potential blame of the action. Yes there would be a small chance that Dann would miss the deadline after all and we'd lose the lynch of a townie, but scum would still pick up one free kill and Dann would look even worse the next day.

When I look at the names pointed out by Cook (that Daisy was ok voting as well), I have to ask if and why others find Infinity potentially scummy? Cook never really explained her view in a way that I'd have agreed with it and I still don't see why Infinity would seem scummy but I'm wondering if I'm now being somehow blinded by the fact that I agreed with him early on in the game and he then didn't really do anything that seemed off to me.

Dannflor's late vote-switch on me feels like it would mean he's likely town? I mean, I know I'm town and for the sake of argument let's say that you'd also think that I'm town. We now also know that Cook is town and was at E-1 when Dann switched his vote to me. If he's scum, he'd also know that we're both town so it would feel kinda risky for him to start rocking the boat like that, casting late shame on another townie when one's already being lynched. So I think he's town.

Just to address his concerns about me: I see what he means but my intention with the “Going to see what Cook does and then think and make a decision” was not to be lamist but to repeat (to Cook) that we're waiting on her.

[Mr.K]

However, now that I think of the final votes, a couple of things do come to mind: if Kitty's scum and Dann is town, wouldn't it have been easier for Kitty to not hammer? He'd trust Dann to take all the potential blame of the action. Yes there would be a small chance that Dann would miss the deadline after all and we'd lose the lynch of a townie, but scum would still pick up one free kill and Dann would look even worse the next day.

Scratch this bit! Sorry, I somehow missed that Dann had already voted Cook, so he wouldn't have been able to hammer. I still don't think Kitty is scum though but this line of thought doesn't "prove" it.

[Dunnstral]

First of all, I can see that a lot of thought went into your post above.

I wonder why you are placing a lot of weight in Cook's reads. OopsieDaisy was killed by the mafia, but Cook was eliminated during the day, and it's not for certain how much of a part mafia played in that, or if it was an elimination of convenience rather than due to their reads. We know Cook was town, but I don't believe we have a reason to place importance on Cook's reads.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: cook my heart isn't in this daisy vote let's try this

very sleep-deprived but i'm still ok with my vote

This vote seems particularly weak. It's not clear why you are voting for cook or why you are still ok with it.

[Mr.K]

First of all, I can see that a lot of thought went into your post above.

Presuming this was sarcasm, referring to the vote I had missed.... In my defense, he voted in an otherwise empty post so I think I missed it exactly because I was trying to think too hard

I wonder why you are placing a lot of weight in Cook's reads. OopsieDaisy was killed by the mafia, but Cook was eliminated during the day, and it's not for certain how much of a part mafia played in that, or if it was an elimination of convenience rather than due to their reads. We know Cook was town, but I don't believe we have a reason to place importance on Cook's reads.

I don't know if I'm placing that much weight on her reads, really. I just thought that it would be a relatively good perspective to start the day off with having a look at what the people we know for sure were town were thinking, especially when there seemed to be an overlap with both of the two. But yes, I do agree that it doesn't make a big if any difference.

[Dunnstral]

It wasn't sarcasm!

[Mr.K]

Oh, ok! Sorry and thanks then!