TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[pisskop]

You dont kill your lover unless youre sure it furthers your wincon.

But to be honest if they had claimed lovers I think the elim still would have happened.

[Eiralox]

enchant sorta openly hinted it looking after the fact/not sure what went down in the book nook maybe it was a catalogue on spork manufacturers or such

[Gamma Emerald]

It was def a meme, but it probably means that theyre confident enough in their positions

That was my conclusion too
Do you think other mafia were on the wagon?

[pisskop]

itd be bingle or itinerants imo

[Gamma Emerald]

So you agree with Eiralox? Coolio

[Bingle]

I don’t think there was any outcome other than the lovers dying there after that shitty mason claim. It is weird enchant didn’t try to corroborate the mason claim

[ZZZX]

VC 2.14

WhemeStar

(7)

- Gamma Emerald, Cook, DkKoba, Bingle, pisskop, Itinerants, Enchant

[EXILED!]

Eiralox (1) - Not_Mafia
Itinerants (1) - Eiralox

Not voting: KatyKimFanClub, MegAzumarill, WhemeStar, ZZZX

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Deadline is frozen at 2 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes until a replacement is found.

KatyKimFanClub is V/LA until Tuesday.

Hmmm I don’t fully know what it means that enchant hammered his lover partner outside of probably memes

Oh LOL I just saw it

[ZZZX]

To be honest at that point I was completely out of the game that I wouldn't have seen it haha.

Well, I agree with pisskops observation. But I am curious about the whole mindset there still, like I still don't see a world where mafia wants to get a lim that gets them dead as well, but well shit I can't deny the fact that it just happened lol.

[Titus]

Just daycop me then

wanna vote Itenerants or Bingle with me?

I legit haven’t read this game can u give me a quick why them

If they were fine going one for one, I'd worry about our clears or the gamestate in general. Do we have clears?

[Bingle]

Mech breakdown since people don't seem to want to read Day 1.

One shot Dayvig as a role doesn't exist according to 3p.
Pisskop is a day alignment cop we can sacrifice ourselves at night to give more checks to. Currently has 1 check.
Cook had the power to dayvig day 1, doing so when their wagon picked up momentum, otherwise unknown for role.
Pisskop is an ISK according to patchwork, and therefore is mech!town if we trust patchwork's flip.
Other deaths have been to a day 1 dayvig/selfkill courtesy of flavor leaf.
NM and Eira are VT claims.
Some people but not all have claimed between mod discretion and town.

I think that's about it?

[Bingle]

Fwiw I don’t see enchant self hammering as evidence things were going well for maf at all. Wheme claimed masons in a setup where masons aren’t guaranteed to be town and then refused to out a mason partner after a mason had flipped. That was an antispew hammer, not a “I want this” hammer.

[Cook]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

[MegAzumarill]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

Why do you ask?

[MegAzumarill]

In addition, I agree that Enchant hammer is probably from antispew shenanigains

[Bingle]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

[pisskop]

I don't actually know what is the term 'antispew' means. If you explain it?

[Bingle]

Basically enchant hammered to cut the day short and prevent townies from posting around enchant in a way that would make them obviously not partnered while also denying us more enchant and co interactions to look over.

[Itinerants]

Okay, I still haven't read properly, can't make my brain focus on it, but I did skim, and... I'm struggling to find real scumreads tbh. Which tells me the slots that lurked out are pretty likely places to look.

Enchant's martyrdom is also very interesting. His role PM doesn't inform of the Lovers aspect, but he did directly reference it with the hammer, so it was a conscious decision that it was worth the trade. Antispew is a weak excuse, because Enchant COULD have backed up the mason fakeclaim instead and coasted off of that for at least a day or two.

So if Enchant HAD done that, who was likely to go over in Wheme's place? Looking through the VCs... Eiralox was the primary wagon before Wheme, I recall having scumpings on IAVH early game, and apparently there's a VT claim?

VOTE: Eiralox

I'd like to know what exactly the role that allegedly got replaced with VT for you was. I assume Lich gave you your slot's picks?

[Itinerants]

-Rat

[Eiralox]

ya'll had almost a week to come up with something better.


titus feels town. my poe iten/bingle>zzzx for now.

[pisskop]

idk about bingle.

iterants is fine enough wagon ig

[pisskop]

Basically enchant hammered to cut the day short and prevent townies from posting around enchant in a way that would make them obviously not partnered while also denying us more enchant and co interactions to look over.

okay, so spew in this context is 'speculation and solving done in the game' and antispew is preventing town talk.

enh. truth be told we were exactly going anywhere, but I could buy that the wheme wagon would have stalled out before another nonscum vote.

[pisskop]

And thanks. I feel silly asking for definitions but id feel sillier not knowing exactly what it meant

[Eiralox]

scum playing the ignorant act while probably having pages and pages of planning in pt btw. idk if 3:2 is likely/2:2 doesnt seem likely with bibliophile/my feel has settled on 4 scums but eh. i'm happy to vote out either bingle or iten at this point. ciao

[Eiralox]

idk about bingle.

iterants is fine enough wagon ig

bingle is an easy read. just check bluensek iso. consider that bingle doesnt care about the town. then check what i mentioned day 2: bluesnek bussed itenerants and enchant both to create 'distance' before repping out.