no actually
while it is a win condition
mafia do not have to kill all the roses to win
they still have their traditional win condition
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 126, Theta Alpine wrote:
no actually
while it is a win condition
mafia do not have to kill all the roses to win
they still have their traditional win condition
Hmmm
Idk, I feel like there’s more complexity here than some people are suggesting, I just don’t have a good idea what exactly could be the case since I don’t know how scum would be thinking
I’ll just issue a blanket “let’s not devise any grand plans today”
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alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
enchant i normally read as scum and i do not think i have any accuracy in such so
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 116, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic
I don't see why mafia wouldn't all pick gun
This run is different from other runs in that the number if total roses is stated at the started instead of only how many town roses
That gives scum more ability to muddy the waters there
ok but how does it help the scum team to know the true number of town roses is 9 instead of 10? the goal is to eliminate mafia each day regardless of how many roses are alive no?
it gives town less certainty about strategy choice based on number of roses
or it would if we did not have ten roses
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
I could see scum wanting to pick rose, could've thought more town would have chosen gun and wanted some protection if they were sure they'd pick a good night. Or it does muddy the waters, if the town has an inflated view of how many roses there are, they might be more loose with using their guns or not worrying as much on mis elims.
If the number of roses were much smaller, say scum did choose all guns, and like half the town chose guns, town would probably be a lot more careful on who they wagon and elim in the day. Scum would want town to be more comfortable getting on wagons and getting people out, so inflating the number of roses helps them with that.
All that said, I am still of the belief that most likely all 3 scum are guns and we have one town gun.
scum want to pick the opposite of what town mostly picks
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
if town mostly picks roses then scum want to pick guns so they compensate for blocked night kills
and scum would go for the traditional win con most likely
if town mostly picks guns then scum wants to pick roses to protect themselves from night kills while they try to figure out and kill the few town roses
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.
I smell you don't have it.
I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?
Because i have nothing to do.
Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.
It seems you started this conversation assuming that Titus is town by saying you believe they are a rose. I think this is potentially weird, you have a strange perspective here.
i would like to think i am somewhat decent at setup spec when i do not overthink things
well to an extent even when i do overthink things but
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 135, Gamma Emerald wrote:
:/
I just stated scum can also win if all town roses are dead
That’s been a thing in every run of this setup
I've never played this setup before but it just feels silly to me to pick rose as mafia - I'd pick gun every time
I am inclined to agree with this. Extra kills are more powerful for mafia than for town. On the other hand I've played a run of this setup where town only had 3 roses at the start and it felt pretty doomed.
scums picking strategy is likely just
very dependent on if town has players that are uh
known to be very good as vigs
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
it is kind of pointless to speculate on what optimal scum strategy is because if we only have one claimed gun then we know its three scum guns versus 10 town roses and a town gun right?
we also have several people who suggested that town should not claim guns yet because that flags them for being not potentially protected
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.
I smell you don't have it.
I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?
Because i have nothing to do.
Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.
It seems you started this conversation assuming that Titus is town by saying you believe they are a rose. I think this is potentially weird, you have a strange perspective here.
Why i should't assume as town early game?
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