mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

[Skygazer]

votecount 2.06

Andante (2) - Hu Tao, Meuh
Titus (2) - Aureal, Broccoli Quest 2
Aureal (2) - Titus, Doctor Drew
furtiveglance (2) - pisskop, Gamma Emerald
pisskop (2) - HighPrincessErinys, furtiveglance

not voting

(1) - Andante

with eleven alive, it takes six votes to lose yourself in the music, the moment, you own it, etc etc. day two ends in (expired on 2023-11-12 23:15:00).

[Titus]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

[furtiveglance]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

I'm a little concerned by his lurking and lack of depth in engagements as well, but I remember feeling convinced he was town after reading the PT with Hu Tao.

@Skygazer, are we allowed to quote from the leaked PTs?

[Skygazer]

@Skygazer, are we allowed to quote from the leaked PTs?

Yes, the leaked private topics are not considered "private communication."

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Looking back on Ircher he thought Broccoli and I were masons together jumping at him for the claim early. Broccoli is back to lock town for me again

Okay this is a pretty good argument for town!Hu Tao andi don't think scum!Hu Tao would bring it up in this way right now, so I'm fine with just treating Hu Tao as a mason buddy like she's been on Day 1. In fact I want to treat the hood with Hu Tao, who has a hood with Aureal, as a triple masonry where we're all conftown to each other (you don't have to reciprocate, but just know I'll vouch for you and not vote you, mason buddies)

I think what makes the most sense is just to take Ircher/Titus at face value and TR Titus for it.

I disagree

It feels like Ircher/Titus has been the most obvious distancing to ever exist in a game of mafia.

HOWEVER, since you guys are clearly more interested in pisskop, since pisskop ALSO has associations with Ircher (as Furtive pointed out), and since I'm treating Hu Tao and Aureal as masons (which means pisskop/Drew is scum), I'm going to relent and let you have your way (i.e. we vote pisskop today and titus tomorrow).

VOTE: pisskop

[pisskop]

Sounds like somebody who knows its a mislim but wants it anyway

[pisskop]

HOWEVER, since you guys are clearly more interested in pisskop, since pisskop ALSO has associations with Ircher (as Furtive pointed out), and since I'm treating Hu Tao and Aureal as masons (which means pisskop/Drew is scum), I'm going to relent and let you have your way (i.e. we vote pisskop today and titus tomorrow).

VOTE: pisskop

[pisskop]

A lot of people are talking about how they would vote drew, including me, but nobodys actually doing it.

VOTE: drew

IF we accept that one maf is in the hoods, thats where we should look

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Nah

I wish people voted titus

I still think you have a decent chance to flip scum (above rand but less than 50%), so am willing to compromise

if u want, please vote titus with me

pedit: DO you accept one maf in the hoods? Or are you just voting Drew in the hope to save your skin?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

BQ2: I'm interested in your insights based on yesterday's posting. Quote some stuff, comment on it - who looks good/bad?

Anyone voting Andante (except you because you changed to pisskop) is crazy.

Aureal is like 100% town unless you think she basically decided to spend 80% of her effort this game on pocketing me by posting stuff in a hood I wasn't even a part of and which it is very unlikely for her to have known was going to leak. If she is scum and decided to pocket me that way, props to her I guess because I'm not voting her this game.

I have no idea what titus and meuh have been talking about and honestly i don't really care enough to try and figure that out right now.

i just read andante's readlist and i still don't scumread her but i'm very confused as to where she's actually standing and who she wants to push

@andante could you like, describe your top two preferences for voting today, and why?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Sorry Andante did say she wants Furtive or Hu Tao. I just don't understand what exactly she's townreading about Titus and what exactly she's scumreading about Furtive (I mean except going off Ircher to chase pisskop, but Titus did the same thing 10000 times worse).

[pisskop]

if u want, please vote titus with me

pedit: DO you accept one maf in the hoods? Or are you just voting Drew in the hope to save your skin?

Your titus wagon hasnt really resulted in any progress made on the game. Nobody is really digging into her.

one maf in the hood is probably 60/40.

I think youre trying to hold ircher/piss team in your head while also trying to push titus/maybedrew. It doesnt feel like you have a preference over where you vote, as long as you can get a lim

[pisskop]

You were on ircher for a while, but as Ive said the slot was dead in the water.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I think youre trying to hold ircher/piss team in your head while also trying to push titus/maybedrew. It doesnt feel like you have a preference over where you vote, as long as you can get a lim

That's a lie, I don't want to push Drew here like ever

Your titus wagon hasnt really resulted in any progress made on the game. Nobody is really digging into her.

Good point, I'll post a full scum case on her later on today.

VOTE: Titus anyways.

[pisskop]

I can see titus flipping red here, but I agree with FA here that Im not seeing the signs I would expect from the slot.

Mostly theyre just being a passive voice.

[pisskop]

Ultimately I dont feel good about the spot. I just kind of feel indifferent about Titus

[furtiveglance]

A lot of people are talking about how they would vote drew, including me, but nobodys actually doing it.

VOTE: drew

IF we accept that one maf is in the hoods, thats where we should look

Subject: love child - pond private thread (Hu Tao & Doctor Drew) [leaked]

Thoughts on thread?

I keep wanting to say this is definitely scumIrcher by tone, but then realized he has the same tone every game, still keeping my vote there for now though.

I am kinda leaning towards the possibility of scumAlianna, to me she seems so obvious when town, but also not a lot of her posts stick out to me as well.

Those are my hot takes lol.

How about you?

Surely Drew is town just for this.

[Aureal]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

*picks up a lillypad gauntlet in her beak and waddles up to smack Titus and her much guilt in a challenge to explain the cryptic nonsense*

[Doctor Drew]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

You said a strikingly similar thing in a game awhile ago where you were scum and I was town.

And the way I treated your entrance/early game play was strikingly similar to this game as well(ie I will sheep you and consider you town from the jump).

I really hope your scum game isn't this transparent, because oopsie daisy I am now waffling more to the scum side of things in regards to you now.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

*picks up a lillypad gauntlet in her beak and waddles up to smack Titus and her much guilt in a challenge to explain the cryptic nonsense*

Also didn't realize my vote was still on your Aureal lol

VOTE: Titus

[pisskop]

Surely Drew is town just for this.

votecount 1.10

Ircher (5) - Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Afrayed Knott

Its so early in the game but it sounds good

[pisskop]

lol it looks like everyone seems to think at least 1 scum was bussing no matter what

[Doctor Drew]

From ChatGPT Mafia, Titus is scum in these quotes:

Just to say that Titus is sus.

-Mr. G

I promised her many moons ago that I would sheep her and have her back until proven wrong, so gonna need a real solid case on her.

I'm not ready for sheeps yet. I'll let you know when I am.

Spoiler: 1

@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@

Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra

, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Positioning himself as reasonable

Spoiler: 2

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now).

I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

Incredibly safe position to take as scum with the omgus. We're already opposing him, so he just accepts and cements that.

Spoiler: 3

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

On that front, some musings:

Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?

If it's the latter:

Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?

Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra


Not really directed at anyone, just musing.

You could have these thoughts in an MD thread or pre-game. Much easier content to put out than your thoughts on other players.

Spoiler: 4

How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]

Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?

PE: god, that rap was awful

This was already clarified earlier in the thread (119). And Defective Agency has been following the thread, so the "how many scums are we thinking" in the post bianco quoted here seems like a deliberate attempt on DA's part to appear uninformed.

This is an attempt to get us for 'fake townslipping' which is a really superficial and reachy thing to push us for. I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1.

So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.

My vote stays

-Mr. Glance

Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shit

How so?

See last large theme. Too exhausted to explain.

So you can't be bothered to look up someone's meta that was conveniently linked to, but I have to find meta you allude to on my own?

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

I'm a) not using meta to explain alignment and b) what I'm saying requires no thought or belief in meta. It's just facts that happened.

How did you go from sheeping me to "putting out to pasture"?

You also did a 180 which is frankly odd and telling.

Maybe Drew + Porkens.

[HighPrincessErinys]

note to self to properly read the last 3 pages at a better time and do the titus ISO before tryin to rejoin the discourse

P49: Nothing to really add about Page 49 other than kind of agreeing with Broccoli on 1214.
P50: 1226 to 1230 is amusing but also mystifying and this one isn't actually sure why furtive is voting Andante. Probably something this one missed on a prior page teehee oopsies

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

He's made 17 posts this game. Compare the amount of effort in these 17 posts with posts from his scum games, and then compare with the first 17 posts of town games.

I think I just didn't like how you went after Titus and Furt when they came into the game, seemed a bit like throwing shade at them before they could get started.

But looking back, and specifically reading this post, I do feel better about you. Though I do admire someone who would hard buss like that lol.

It's also just good to vibecheck and press replace-ins, when they're less likely to know what's up and how to react appropriately as scum.

Andante - reads have been literally everywhere this game. Didn't vote Ircher for large periods of yesterday.

Latter is questionable but this one really wants to say the former is just how she plays?? But this one doesn't have anything to actually go off on with that assessment.

P51:

VOTE: furtive

AtEs, though, are just yummy

What Did He Mean By This ?

also, after reading those leaked PTs, I have Hu Tao as lock scum, sooooo yeah

A couple people have suddenly 180'd their reads on HT and this one is curious about the specifics. Sell me on scum!HT, please?

P52:

I was fully expecting a tunnel at the start of d2 for my stance on ircher. yes, day 1 I did have 1 moment I went "ircher is playing similar to DEFCON- not town" but never said anything in thread, I just had stronger SRs... felt like the sr on ircher was largely due to ircher just not playing, and pretty much no one on that wagon was giving reasoning behind their votes, just saying...

Honestly HUGE agree. Ircher being scum was nice but it definitely felt like we got there via apathy and "lets just kill the dead slot" rather than scumhunting. Goes without saying that this one thought the PK wagon would've been better but in general the Ircher wagon feels like a

fluke.

P53:

dont have anything particularly fancy to say about the posts here so just gonna put a short summary of conclusions here:

Broccoli locktown
Not sure what to make of Andante/Furtive
Pisskop still needs to die
Titus is a doable vote but this one wants to do that ISO dive its been meaning to do first

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not exactly comprehensive or impressive but it's a catchup. Hi, this one is an actual player again.