Toriel's Patience (end)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i don’t move my vote a lot and i wasn’t compelled enough at that point, i think i could have gotten there but idk

What I mean was, Taly definitely had the opportunity to start something else after questioning Meuh on "who instead" because you're right there voicing that "hey maybe it's not Meuh?"

[Ydrasse]

cruelly punished for only reading what was quoted of my posts

[Ydrasse]

anyways i just lost a game so i’m reinvigorated to do stuff here now somehow. when i’m not at work i’ll give me thoughts

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't think Ydra/Mandate is scum

I would still look in [Alisae, Implo, Ari] and maybe [Dann, Key] here

Freedom very maybe

I'm agreeable to most of this line of thinking and I imagine this is part of the ISO-quotewall that Taly sent me so I'm curious to see how Shirou ends the day on Freedom

[Taly]

no

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Beetlejuice

Sorry Dann it wasn't meant to you

I typed it out before I saw you had sent new posts

I'll reply this to you before going!

what is your suspicion with keyleth, shirou

I just think she feels on that "meh" spot where scum may be, her posts are fine at face-value but I don't feel much of a desire of solving the game from her

She's "just there" and I've increasingly become aware that a lot of the time scum are "just there"

Mm, I don't think I could vote Ydra here, she has good posts and I also really liked the Mandate slot before. Whenever Mandate was under pressure they seemed to make great posts and ways that just made sense for a defense? I feel like for them to be a wolf they would've had to do that from the start or at least plan it and who does it? Apparently, they were an obvious alt and I see how that makes people twist a bit but is it really that bad?

I feel like I should read into that because it means either my reads are sort of nice or I'm blatantly wrong and that nag at the back of my head? I want to know more about it. Like is the game really as simple as beeboy/Shirou being right on each other and Me/Dann/Implo/Taly being right on each other early? It could be and god do I want it to be.

Alisae, we should talk because your recent posting is making me feel a bit, odd? Like, I know I have a weird way of playing so I can respect unconventional means of town reading or replaying the game yet I don't get where your head is? Maybe that's on me, and I want it to be. Can you talk to me more on your reads because I see you have a good list of Poe where a lot of others have not yet you caught up so late were there like, any really good or bad posts that made you town or wolfbin someone?

My reads are mostly PoE I don't have a deep chongus case on anyone here other than my townreads

It's one of the reasons the game feels hard too

Can you list who exactly would towncore right now and send over? A few sentences would be great but totally not required if you wish to be lazy

Maybe this is a skill issue but Meuh's flip did not help me as much as I thought it would.

Maybe this is a skill issue but Meuh's flip did not help me as much as I thought it would.

Because wasn't Meuh a nearly consensus vote? I guess I'm just a tad confused on how this seemed to change so much. Bleh, words are hard.

Not the first time I've thought Keyleth to be beetlejuicing (as I recall it's the second)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

no

no what?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Alisae, we should talk because your recent posting is making me feel a bit, odd? Like, I know I have a weird way of playing so I can respect unconventional means of town reading or replaying the game yet I don't get where your head is? Maybe that's on me, and I want it to be. Can you talk to me more on your reads because I see you have a good list of Poe where a lot of others have not yet you caught up so late were there like, any really good or bad posts that made you town or wolfbin someone?

Bee is town
Ari slot is town
Bingle is town
Dunnstral I don't care to form a read on but gun to head town
Taly is town
Sakura is town

ok great that leaves me w/

Dannflor
Lazy Shirou
Merlyn/Freedom
Keyleth
Mandate/Ydrasse
implosion

i kind of don't want to fight Dann anymore after whatever that was
{Ydra Freedom} probably has a wolf in it I think it's Ydra. It can have 2 wolves in it.
Implosion I've just never townread.
Shirou I want to townread but I probably shouldn't
and then there's you
you exist and ig I want to TR you but like I probably shouldn't

Either way I'm pretty much very happy with just flipping the entire Meuh wagon

I can see this coming from frustrated town - frustrated about Meuh being killed assuming Ali was trying to stop it the day before. I know e was elsewhere with er vote I just don't recall how vocal e was about it not being Meuh. Going to pause the catch-up here to review that otherwise I'll probably forget to

[ssbm_Kyouko]

okay i caught up
I think
Ari, Bee, Sakura, Shirou, Taly, and Key are all probably town.
Brown eyes is probably town as well.
Then there's Merlyn, Dunn, and Meuh. Meuh is kind of just unreadable to me.
And then there's Dann Implo Mandate
and I think Dann is the most suspicious. I think Dann's read on me is technically fine but I think they overexplained and overjustified it and I think that comes across as wolfy to me. They also screamed wolf to me early.
I think Dann is teammates w/ Implo

alisae

vote

meuh

with me

ask me again in 48 hours
I'd also just be happy if you voted Dann

Meuh is a really hard player to read but I also have literally no grasp at how it is they play the game.

the best way for me to read meuh at the current moment is to flip her

You can vote Meuh.
Meuh is an unreadable player to me. I'll probably compromise there.

ok sike on my last post ali is just scum and has spewed that Dann Taly and I are town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like definitely Dann fmpov and probably me from an outside pov, Taly maybe the interaction is faked but prolly not

{ali, sakura, RCE, there was another name here and I'm blanking entirely}

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Might just be aristeia is the other name and I then thought Random Nurse and finally RCE so with 5 names in my head I feel short stopping at 3 but I think there was another

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Keyleth, keyleth was the name

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: long quote for little comment

Though I think implo said something about spare being good based off EV.
And I think we can take his word with it.
P-edit: @Ydra

Alas, alas.

I also am inclined to go after the empty slot next.

Because there's going to be no contributions from it?
I might have to read Ari's iso first but I guess we could go for it if Ari was scummy.

Otherwise, it might be good going for what Shirou suggested with reading slots defensive of Meuh.

Hi RCE!

Your immediate predecessor RN was virtually non-existent so it'd be good if you could do something.

Hey! I’ve read 5ish pages, I have….varying confidence in reads but one was that meuh was town, so that’s nice I guess.

At the very least pushing to hammer in the middle of finding a replacement is !SKETCHY! So that’s also nice, I guess.

Idk what kind of bit I’m doing but I’ll probably keep it going till I get bored, I guess.

What are your current thoughts on

Spare

/

Fight

?

Alas, alas.

I also am inclined to go after the empty slot next.

Because there's going to be no contributions from it?
I might have to read Ari's iso first but I guess we could go for it if Ari was scummy.

Nah, I never really found Ari as town and have mentioned a couple times that the slot is in my PoE.

It was more so for me to remind myself to read Ari's ISO.

Actually, I realise you were answering my question.

*just realised

My bad.

Reading up now.

i scumread this because it is a lot of presence but there is nothing substantial coming from it

You’ve sold me VOTE: Freedom

i dont think many people are being intellectually honest about solving right now

Like ok Taly is town and RCE/Ali are probably 2 of the 3 scum atp

I don't put a fake townslip past scum!Ali btw

[Dannflor]

what changed with your sakura read?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Page 17 added reads
-beeboy town
-Merlyn scum, just because I just remember they existed and that doesn’t feel….Merlyn…y
-Shirou could actually be towning and the forces Dunn deeper into a scum Poe for me.

I’m basically going to live or die on townreading Alisae this game. I’m unreasonably confident on their alignment.

You’re pretty secure in my townreads.

If I had to compare you guys to anime I’d say you’re like, my hero academia - it took me a few episodes to think, oh ok this is going to be a banger

But Alisae is JJK - I watched an episode and said “oh my god this is heat”

Reads are looking like:

Town af - alisae
Town - Taly/Ydrasse
Reasonably town - brown eyes/Sakura
Growing on me - Shirou/keyleth/beeboy
Eh idk - dann
—————-
Dunn goes here
Dunno pile - shirou/implosion
Freedom

Rip meuh

Like how is this a real opinion on Alisae

[ssbm_Kyouko]

what changed with your sakura read?

I had a moment of weakness from like one of her posts and it just didn't hold up as I continued reading. That said I'm feeling pretty confident in {Alisae, RCE} right now, more confident than in scum!Sakura, so I could just be wrong there as I have suspicions about Keyleth as well. Can't be 4 scum. Also I think with Sakura I've at times felt she has equity with Dunnstral (not voiced) and Taly (posted about this recently), but Taly is probably just town and I'm probably reading in to 2601 too far, though

@Taly

I do still want a response regarding 2601 - more of a response than 'no' if that's what your answer was

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You’ve sold me VOTE: Freedom

VOTE: freedom

VOTE: Freedom

VOTE: Dannflor

dannflor because of defending against the ydrasse wagon upfront
implosion since i feel like their posts have not achieved or set a definitive stance, and what i do remember of them has largely gone with the flow in a gamestate that has been proven to be misguided

Can I ask, do you feel that ydrasse is a wolf and the way dann defended it is partner like, or are you just saying that the defense of the ydrasse wagon pinged you? If so, in what way? Because I was reading the wagon myself and I'm not seeing what you are.
What exactly are you expecting from town implosion in this case because I see your statement but I don't get the aha wolf! Part of the statement?

Willing to sheep the freedom vote though!

VOTE: Freedom

Like I'm willing to believe Meuh is maybe a victim of a combination of the deadline and impatient (maybe not impatient but exhausted by replacements) town but it feels to me that amongst these early freedom votes there's at least 1 if not 2 scum latching on to townleader!Taly. Which maybe is a good thing for Sakura because amidst all of this she has her own idea of where things should be going.

[Dannflor]

i do kind of feel that ive been scum reading sakura's personality and every time i've taken a step back from the game and tried to look at her actions more objectively I end up town reading her

[Taly]

I was just hardset on

Sakura

town EoD1 and didn't see a tangible reason to reevaluate. Plus read walls don't appeal to me, it's hard to keep focus when following through big cases like that.

To be fair, I'm not any better, in retrospect, I think my grievances with

Meuh

were playstyle

[Taly]

I wouldn't be surprised if I've townhloc'd with more than 1 scum at least once.

[Taly]

Sorry for the "no"

I'm depressed IRL at the moment

[Taly]

I think my big error this game has been tunneling

[Taly]

The curse of IC

Taly

[Taly]

i don’t move my vote a lot and i wasn’t compelled enough at that point, i think i could have gotten there but idk

What I mean was, Taly definitely had the opportunity to start something else after questioning Meuh on "who instead" because you're right there voicing that "hey maybe it's not Meuh?"

I really didn't feel compelled by other options at the time tbh

Ali

seemed like

Ali

I had a weak townread of

Freedom

I liked

Ari's

interaction with me

Bingle

was okay at the time
I felt

Dann

had an appropriate response to my suspicion

I just figured, we flip

Meuh

and the

Sakufa/implosion/(beeboy/kyoko)

riddles had a mod confirmed reference point to look back at

[Taly]

Then

Freedom

pinged me and then the playerlist became my echo chamber again