Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I understand.

My guilty is on Elements. I’m just a Reporter, targeted them last night, and they used an action.

I probs should have waited, but I think the game is just Elements/Looker.

[Flavor Leaf]

I kind of slipped with that post that I knew Elements was lying about being Vanillaized.

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It makes Drew comments at my Elements town read rougher, and I was theorizing all through the night phase that it was Drew/Elements.

But I can kinda see the team being Elements/Looker as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm actually so confused now why Elements didn't join me on Naerys

If you look back, Elements did bring up energy directing towards Naerys which I think helped start the Naerys wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y'all wanna vote Naerys?

I do love a flash wagon

Naerys wagon is Kitty and Yessiree wagon minus Myself and Elements (and Yesiree on the Yes wagon specifically)

considering Elements is a stronger town read of mine, and I got a sNaerys didn’t move result, Naerys wagon isn’t looking too good.

Elements seemed ready to jump on the wagon when it was presented.

What do you make of that?

[Flavor Leaf]

What do we think of Celebloki’s crackpot theory being true along with Celebloki claiming Frail modifier given this day phase now?

I’m town reading Celeb, but it could be distancing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I remember Elements being like "yay flash wagons" but she didn't try any harder than that, they just gave approval

Scum had like zero WIM

Kinda why I think it’s just Yessiree/Elements/Looker team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew has some equity.

Mech wise i feel they are scum,

Tone wise, i feel town

So i think I’ll just go against mech.

Tends to work when im reading Drew that way.

Roden’s play is so weird if scum imo.

I would say Naerys isn’t fully cleared either, but i don’t really think it’s Naerys.

Vanderscamp is kind of spewed town by Elements.

Elements and Yessiree being involved with Kitty wagon makes sense why Looker would take the opposite stance.

[Flavor Leaf]

It also tracks why I got Vanillaized. Because I was town reading Elements, they probably didn’t want to kill me, but didn’t want to risk me getting a reporter check.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think if we're believing FL, Naerys kind of has to be cleared. Unless she holstered. I think with the single factional kill, all the Alien team are PRs and she would have gone somewhere N1 if she could. Their team has to be Rolecop, Inventor (Or whatever gave out Vulnerable and Frail), and Vanillaizer right?

Well, not necessarily. They could have just sent out Invention on Night 1 and Role Copped. Naerys could be base Alien and didn’t act.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think if we're believing FL, Naerys kind of has to be cleared. Unless she holstered. I think with the single factional kill, all the Alien team are PRs and she would have gone somewhere N1 if she could. Their team has to be Rolecop, Inventor (Or whatever gave out Vulnerable and Frail), and Vanillaizer right?

Inventor could be a factional ability imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

As could the Vanilla.

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I think Gamma is one of the only ones who are like actually cleared cleared, because it can’t be Drew and Gamma, and even then, Drew technically could have been blocked or gamma could be an Ascetic Alien or something.

Or Elements had a Rolestop and they used it on Gamma.

Stuff like that opens Gamma up, but I think on play, Gamma is town.

I think Vanderscamp and Kitty are both pseudo spewed by Elements/Yessiree as town as well.

Roden could have legit been guiltied, so they stay in POE.
Drew could be gambiting, so they stay in POE.
Celebloki could be setting up a distance, so they’re extended POE.
Naerys has a pseudo clear, but they might be non action Alien, extended POE.


ActionDan was right, they are effectively null bar some things, so they are in POE. I’m feeling okay about AD, though. Idk if the game goes this way if they are scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looker is null, but i think them acting like they were against Kitty is performative, and they were on Roden, so they look like scum trying to push a counterwagon in what they’ve done.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elements->Looker->Drew/Roden/Naerys/Celebloki/ActionDan

Path probably wins the game or opens the game up enough where you can go out of order? Idk what makes more sense. If Looker, Drew, and Roden are all town, it’s a rough game tbh, because either of Roden/Drew can technically be gambiting here. I think they’re probably T/T, though atm.

[Flavor Leaf]

I literally did nothing. 1-shot Bus Driver, swapped Celebloki and Naerys but nobody died. There's a difference between vanillaize and expended, but I wasn't vanilla'd, just used my shot.

You did this on Night 2?

Why did you choose to hold Night 1?

[Flavor Leaf]

I literally did nothing. 1-shot Bus Driver, swapped Celebloki and Naerys but nobody died. There's a difference between vanillaize and expended, but I wasn't vanilla'd, just used my shot.

You did this on Night 2?

Why did you choose to hold Night 1?

No, this was on night 1. No offense, but when I saw how quickly people were hopping wagons and how no one questioned your read on me, I lost faith in the player list and figured I should shoot while I had the chance. It was half-ass, but Vande mentioned he thought Naerys was town and someone else corroborated so I figured it was as good a shot as any. And no one answered any of the questions I had regarding the wagons they were on, so I just figured fuck it.

I claimed I targeted Naerys Night 1 on Day 2.

This means I targeted Celebloki with my Reporter Action, not Naerys unless Looker is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lost faith in a playerlist that’s caught 2 scum by end of Day 3 not a good look

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, actions are too weird this game.

Roden happening to have Vulnerable with Doctor Drew’s claim

And now this.

The final scum is in that group somewhere

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s an in hindsight type of thing, that mentality not aging well for ya

[Flavor Leaf]

Why wait until now to tell us you Bussed two people on N1 when you're only a 1-shot?

I don't understand. What would have been the benefit?

Because there were actions made and claimed on targets you switched

[Flavor Leaf]

yep.

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Elements->Looker probs the right path to confirm if Looker telling the truth.

[Flavor Leaf]

My guilty is on Elements. I’m just a Reporter, targeted them last night, and they used an action.

It's not a guitly
I'm a Night-1 Informed Novice JOAT
My abilitites are the abilities I claimed as my inventions
I was informed night 1 that the scum team have a vannilaiser which is why I claimed vannaillaised
I rolestopped Naerys last night

Interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m leaning it as a lie.

Why would Elements claim to be Vanillaised as town informed of scum having vanillaizer? Scum would have known they didn’t Vanillaize elements.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pretty solid counter play, though, if scum.

I think it’s a really rough situation if elements is town, though.

I’m still thinking it’s just scum counterplay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thing is, Gamma did say yesterday that if elements was lying, it was time to say it, and that was Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

What if it’s ActionDan, Yessiree, and Vanderscamp, all the neighbors

[Flavor Leaf]

Why did you Rolestop instead of use that Bloodhound ability, Elements?

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s probably just Elements, and either way I think we gotta go there today unless we want to risk ScumElements claiming a fake guilty tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elements, what were your inventions?

hey gang
have things to do so can't

stop

by for long

Rolestop

seeing as no one got

shot

i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor

Desperado shot

Bloodhound
I couldn't think of anyway to crumb dog or blood at the time but I could've said something like "I'll try and check back in every now and again now I think about it

Wait, Elements has a Desperado claimed shot.

Shoot Looker rn.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Elements/Looker are both town, there’s a scum in AD/Vander/Naerys, and then probs one of Roden/Drew.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is Bloodhound even a real role. Ome would think it would detect blood, aka a killer

Don’t know why it wouldn’t just be Cop. Could be a flavor for Alien, I guess, but that doesn’t track considering Yessiree flipped Role Cop.

[Flavor Leaf]

he claimed desperado, so if elements cant make it during the day, yeah, we fade.

desperado is specifically during the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Shoot: Looker

(not a he)

Sorry, I knew that too. I'll do better.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait why shoot Looker? Shouldn't we have shot me or Drew in a town!Elements world?

well, both you and Drew can be town, and Looker just confirms the swap Bus Driver if so.

If kill goes through, I'd say Elements can just Bloodhound Drew tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's not gonna happen when we just got a Vote Count recently. So we might need a vote count first. Otherwise we'll wait for nothing. Mod won't confirm if it's a fake thing.

VOTE: Elements

[Flavor Leaf]

She could just be scum trolling us at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

that's occam's razor for me at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cook was last online right after Elements posted, so she should've seen it

Probably means it’s fake then. We aren’t in a rush. There’s a lot of weird what if scenarios in this game. It’s interesting.

I hope the deep wolf isn’t super deep

[Flavor Leaf]

Looker, Drew, and Naerys have the highest partner equity.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re last in the mass claim to claim

[Flavor Leaf]

2 scum down after hammer.

Good night, yall.

Aliens should use their night kill this night.

Looker might be town, i think Naerys/Roden/Drew/Looker houses the last scum.

Gamma is probably always town here, she’s been towniest all game, basically conf town on Drew action, there are multiple cases where she could have gotten a slip, but i don’t think they’re likely.

Dan/Vander as regular neighbors I think are just town.

Yessiree and Elements both on Kitty kinda spews Kitty town.

If Looker is town, my Reporter action Night 1 is on Celebloki, not Naerys

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma could have been like a Delayed Kill from the night before?

I'm actually leaning Looker town rn tbh.

Leaning Drew, Roden, or Naerys.

[Flavor Leaf]

My reads have been pretty solid this game, so maybe I was right with Looker, but idk, not feeling it. They gave up when they thought town was helpless, but then we hit scum.

Think that tracks. And same with the Bus Drive thing, idk if I see scum doing that.

Also on a PR level, we're pretty weak if Looker is scum. So maybe it's just Roden or Naerys.

Drew PR probably legit too.

Dan has potential, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden/Drew is a rough scenario. I can see both as town, but I can see either as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Most of Day 1's I don't see relevant. I'm putting myself as Green, normally I would put as Blue, but yeah. Bite me. A lot of Day 2's relevant.

1.05

WhemeStar

(7):

Vanderscamp,

Elements

, Doctor Drew, ActionDan, Roden,

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf

Vanderscamp (2):

WhemeStar, KittyTacky

KittyTacky

(1):

Looker

Looker (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (2):

Yessiree

,

Celebloki

2.01

KittyTacky

(4):

Flavor Leaf,

Roden, Doctor Drew,

yessiree

Roden (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (7):

Vanderscamp,

Celebloki

,

Elements

,

KittyTacky

, Naerys, Looker, ActionDan

2.02

KittyTacky

5:

Flavor Leaf

, Roden, Doctor Drew,

yessiree, Elements

Roden (1):

Gamma Emerald

ActionDan (1):

KittyTacky

Not Voting (5):

Vanderscamp,

Celebloki

, Naerys, Looker, ActionDan

2.03

yessiree

4

Roden,

KittyTacky, Flavor Leaf

,

Elements

Roden (3):

Doctor Drew, Looker, Vanderscamp

KittyTacky

(1):

yessiree

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (3):

Celebloki

, ActionDan,

Gamma Emerald

2.04

yessiree

Roden,

KittyTacky, Flavor Leaf,

Elements

,

Gamma Emerald

Roden (3):

Doctor Drew, Looker, Vanderscamp

KittyTacky

(1):

yessiree

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (3):

Celebloki

, ActionDan

There were two 2.04's

2.04

Naerys (4):

Gamma Emerald

,

yessiree

, Doctor Drew, Roden

yessiree

(2):

Flavor Leaf

,

Elements

Roden (2):

Looker, Vanderscamp

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (3):

Celebloki

, ActionDan,

KittyTacky

2.05

yessiree

5

Flavor Leaf

,

Elements

, Doctor Drew,

Gamma Emerald, KittyTacky

Naerys (2):

yessiree

, Roden

Roden (2):

Looker, Vanderscamp

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (2):

Celebloki

, ActionDan

2.06

yessiree

(7):

Flavor Leaf,

Elements

, Doctor Drew,

Gamma Emerald, Celebloki, KittyTacky,

Roden

Roden (2):

Looker, Vanderscamp

Naerys (1):

yessiree

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (1):

ActionDan

End of Day 3

Elements (6):

Flavor Leaf, KittyTacky,

ActionDan, Naerys, Roden,

Celebloki

Not Voting (5):

Vanderscamp,

Elements

, Looker,

Gamma Emerald

, Doctor Drew

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma could have been like a Delayed Kill from the night before?

What are you saying here?

Like a Poisoning-Tree Stump.

Like on Night 2 they targeted you with something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew and Roden are very interesting VCA wise and claim wise. It fits a little too perfectly.

I can see both of their plays as legitimately helping the scum team too, like they both fit into the puzzle really well.

But there's still a decent chance it's T/T.

2 PR's is just so weird if Drew is scum, though, unless Inventor was supposed to do something against that, and we're mostly supposed to be Vanilla.

The

Roden: Doctor Drew, Looker, Vanderscamp vote count almost always has the scum in them imo. Im okay crossing off Naerys and Dan from the POE.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bus drive could be a lie in order to put the clear on Celebloki instead of Naerys which could open up Naerys to an elim since they wanted to kill Celebloki it seems.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden, you're playing as well as you could've this game, and it sucks i had that soul read on yessiree, and unlucky i caught Elements, but I think I'm leaning you as scum here.

I think I just always would die if it was Looker and they had 3 kills, and I think I'm being kept alive because of that + one of the Drew/Roden slots.

Roden->Drew is probably a decent path today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Agh, Idk.

It's one of Drew or Roden imo.

I really can't tell. They both did some anti partnery stuff with Yess/Elements, but like, they kind of had to.

They both did some super partnery stuff too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Celebloki got Frail, and they were ended up going Yess, thought Roden over Drew, AND wasn't interested in Looker, Vander, or Naerys. I think they just had really good reads.

AND Celebloki had their theory on Elements. Really good by them. They were on the money, and I think that makes me lean Roden.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s a good point.

We’re actually in trouble if it’s not in Drew/Looker/Roden.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew on Kitty, then avoiding Yessiree, and then joining Naerys the way it all happened looks really rough. He only joined on yessiree once yess basically slipped.

[Flavor Leaf]

idk, im going back and forth. My best guess is it's 1 of the 3, but like i said, i can find things to town read all of them. Case for Drew is the best on a play level. Case for Roden is the best on a mech level. Roden did super defend Yessiree. Felt too much.

Naerys, Dan, Vanders are the remaining, there's possibilities for each. I dont think it's Dan or Vander. I think Neighborhood is pure now. Let me look at Kitty stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kitty posts

Spoiler:

I still don't really get the Looker case.

I don't think Looker is particularly scummy, but Yess death didn't really clear or even point against him so I wouldn't really oppose a lim there.

I doubt BOTH scum jumped on my wagon at once, that would take colossal balls, doubt it's Roden.

Even if Roden backed away it's still not good optics to naked vote twice in a row like that.

And Yessiree calling out Drew’s voting on Yess as ‘throwing’ feels like scum mad at their partner.

And I can see why Drew felt the need to bus yesterday. It wasn’t without a few chances to try and move the wagon onto a Roden, onto a Naerys.

Naerys thought one of Roden or Drew was scum.
Celebloki also thought one of Roden or Drew was scum. Naerys was a wagon possibility, Celebloki was gifted frail.

Setups for when Roden flips town.

I also specifically had the feeling of someone moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT was scum, and Drew is the one that was front and center in that.

Drew voted me literally just after Yess did.

I'm... wary of voting Drew because of that. Would scum really be so brazen?

Looks good for Roden and Looker.

I also think me being alive here is a good look for Looker considering it was likely for me to push there. I feel scum wanted me to.

And Gamma being Tree Stumped also makes me lean scum wanted Gamma's voice here. Because if not, why not Tree Stump Kitty and straight up kill Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yessiree and Elements had no reason to die if I were scum here, though. I don't bus aimlessly. Would be a pretty hilarious game, though, if I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's probably a scum role + factional ability then, and they just used multiple actions?

[Flavor Leaf]

I have to assume town would claim if any of what happened last night came from them

[Flavor Leaf]

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

Also

*sticks tongue out*

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I think their interactions with Yess are SS, I think they tried really hard to get people off of Yessiree, and when they talked to me about my town reading Elements, after Elements flip, it looks like they know I’m wrong on Elements, and doing a distancing technique.

In addition, I think their claim set Roden up to go down and have them be not confirmed scum. It also looks like Day 3 was supposed to be super quick, and they could have gotten that triple night kill thereafter.

The way they tried to turn Gamma onto me also felt scummy.

They didn’t stop defending Yessiree until they had to turn and bus either it looks like.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum weren’t using me to push Mislims

I was on Yessiree the whole day basically besides Kitty.

They were trying to survive

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be Roden, could be Naerys.

Was trying to test gamestate with Drew vote while thinking it can be Drew

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Naerys

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew’s 1208 is poor, but end of the day, I feel like I trust Roden and Drew are both town.

And then I just kinda also think Looker is town.

Leaves Naerys for me.

I think they chainsawed me when I was pushing Yessiree with a deep shade.

They helped push the Roden/Drew TvS narrative.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Naerys->Roden->Looker->Drew

Is probably the path i would go on.

[Flavor Leaf]

And maybe there’s something to it that I saw Roden as scum, and then they talk to me, and i stop seeing them as scum.

That might be scum indicative of Roden.

But if so, they’ve been playing a game to get me to town read them, and it worked.

[Flavor Leaf]

They would do that either alignment, though. Roden has strong logic as scum.

Their early game is wild, though if scum, idk if they play it that way.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you think about Vander, flavor?

That they’re probably correct with Roden.

VOTE: Roden

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you think about Vander, flavor?

That they’re probably correct with Roden.

VOTE: Roden

If it is Roden, I expect a extra gold star from you Flavored lol.

Hey, I've been pushing Roden in and out just as much as I've been pushing you too, I see it haha

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is Naerys the vote of choice here?

If Looker, Roden, and Drew are all town, who else would it be?

I also remember their post coming after me earlier was very defending of Yessiree.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am on board with Roden, though. I don't see a world where they don't get misfaded eventually, and I think I need to see the flip to clear up some things anyways.

The fact I keep scum reading Roden, only to start town reading them after they talk with me, is a sign of RodenScum imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

i town read roden everytime they talk.

I think it's Drew again

[Flavor Leaf]

Dan thinks it's never Drew because of mech power, which I understand. Yeah, 3 town PR's is all there is, and that's only if Looker and Drew are both town. If one of them are scum, then that's even less.

Roden is actively taking out possible misfades and doesnt make sense to cut out Naerys.

@Roden - do you think it's possible they were trying to distance from Naerys?

[Flavor Leaf]

Y'all need to stop.

There is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't expect either of you two be able to pull this as scum, full stop.

There are legitimate cases why it could, and I have ran through people with more town reasonings than both of you have to get to the eventual scum before, ie CamelCasedSnivy in the game where Python was SK, Drew.

I have been going left and right looking through the both of you, Naerys, and Looker, and I have lead pushes on 2 scum this game.


I also don't understand why we're acting like it's impossible to win for scum within you 2, so why effort? because there is a chance.

There's 4 main candidates who could be faded, Naerys, Looker, Roden, Drew. Yes, scum probably have to get all 3 to win, but if there's another way to get a kill, that's all that's necessary, so there is a win path. And that's if you don't consider possibilities of the game turning on me, AD, or Vander, which I also don't think is impossible.

But y'all need to stop with this. I'm voting, and going back and forth, and the fact I'm willing to go back and forth on these reads, and listening to what people are saying on these slots, because I assure you, I'm reading every single thing multiple times, looking at the tone and tactic possibilities of it.

You two are literally the FRONT RUNNERS for being scum, and it's not even just me that's thinking that. Vanderscamp is literally voting Roden right now.

Drew has an easier winpath than Roden imo, so I also don't love that statement by Roden.

[Flavor Leaf]

i town read roden everytime they talk.

I think it's Drew again

Oh ffs, just Lim me at this point, I can't repeatedly argue my points on deaf ears anymore.

I think Drew is efforting too much to be scum. Like he knows he can't escape the PoE, his elim is inevitable if he's scum, so typing up walls to argue with you Leaf is pointless.

!!!!!!!!!

I am this close to voting Flavor just on principle here

Like this is just scummy here.

I'm actively pushing and voting Roden.

This is pure AtE and conditional responsing when I don't agree with Drew's defenses.

The case is there, and I've acknowledged the mech reasoning why you could be town. You also know that I don't always agree with mech.

I'm having a near perfect town game imo, and now you're acting like I've been dragging this game down when I'm sitting here giving all options a lookover and possibilities.

Don't even know where you're leaning read wise, so if you wanna be real, you need to do more work on looking for scum rather than defending yourself here. That is something Roden has over you here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dan thinks it's never Drew because of mech power, which I understand. Yeah, 3 town PR's is all there is, and that's only if Looker and Drew are both town. If one of them are scum, then that's even less.

Roden is actively taking out possible misfades and doesnt make sense to cut out Naerys.

@Roden - do you think it's possible they were trying to distance from Naerys?

It's possible, but Yess was definitely trying to survive, and Elements was a deep wolf and had me pocketed. Their play and the game state makes me think it wasn't distancing.

I think that's fair. I don't know if it's a never scum interaction, but it's a good reasoning.

These are things that I'm looking for from the 2 of you specifically, and I'm actively trying to elicit responses from you to with my pushes along with a possible scum in Naerys/Looker.

The fact you both want to look at this at a surface level is not a good look.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

That's kinda where I am at with Roden.

And my 1208 was spiced with frustration since I didn't know how to explain my actions and reads more clearly.

I will go with you here

VOTE: Naerys

2 posts by Drew later, they're wanting to vote the one who hard pushed 2 scum to fade 'on principle'

that is not a good trajectory.

[Flavor Leaf]

honestly, Drew totally ignoring my entire Roden case is a pretty bad look for them with the idea that they wanted to 'vote on principle' for me actively looking into the remaining players of the POE?

yeah, get over that. Your defenses aren't solid enough. Could they be town? Yes, but the exact defenses Drew is trying to say are some of my BIGGER reasons for leaning scum on them.

Personally, I don't need to hear Drew's side. I understand why a town Drew would do all those things. I have said over and over I can see the townieness. But I can see the scum side of it too. If Drew is town, then yes, I agree with the why they did those things.

So you wanna talk about falling on deaf ears? It's Drew that isn't listening.

They're on Floor 2 trying to climb and defend things, but I'm over here on Floor 6, been past and over all their reasonings for why, and I'm not walking back down to Floor 2 just to hear the same stuff I was already able to intuit when I was in the Ground Floor Lobby.

I do not care on the why Drew did the things. I see why they would as both alignments.

Find scum, Drew. You aren't scum hunting. Your defenses are already set, and explanations on the Why are already there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've pushed you once this day phase. Get over it.

I've pushed Looker as scum all game.

I've been set on Roden the majority of this day phase.

And I've been inking at Naerys multiple times this day.

You have literally been pushed less than all 4 of the main candidates this day phase. Handle it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Naerys->Roden->Looker->Drew

Is probably the path i would go on.

i literally said this on the same page last page

[Flavor Leaf]

I will admit to not having having many solid reads besides Flavor for town.

Like this was 2 pages ago, and they wanted to 'vote on principle'

yeah right

[Flavor Leaf]

I will admit to not having having many solid reads besides Flavor for town.

Like this was 2 pages ago, and they wanted to 'vote on principle'

yeah right

Notice how I didn't say vote for you because I think you are scum?

I haven't been scum hunting, I wanted to have a town blocc with my ability, but then switched course since I thought I could definitely solve Roden........and of course that back fired. So ya, I am a bit lost since then.

I am frustrated since, and forget any other reason you think I may be scum since objectively I could see someone thinking I could be scum because of(my role and how I used it, my read on Yess, even mentioning Elements and you).....but how you kept bringing up me wanting to lim you when that is completely false.......honestly made me think that this is super deep wolf Flavor, which logically speaking is near impossible(and if is true, then I would be the first to say GG lol).

Because of this I feel like fuck it, vote me off.......since I honestly believe we are on the path the victory anyways and I am being a dumb distraction to you right now.

At the very least, I need to step away from this game for a bit.

it would have been better if it was a vote for me for being scum

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It was a good game, though.

So tell me why Looker is scum here

I standby Looker is scum.

Gonna do a 1-2-3 thing

Nothing is set in stone. Middle isn’t null, just 2. 1 is generally good vibes, 2 is like not bad vibes, but if a few things go one way or another could go either way. 3 is I’m suspicious of and would like to engage in and find more out about to see if they should leave it or not

Elements
Naerys
Celebloki
Roden
Vanderscamp

ActionDan
Gamma Emerald
Doctor Drew

KittyTacky
yessiree
Looker

I will say, all 3 of Tier 2 I instinctively want to bring up to Tier 1, but something holds me back from it. I don’t really expect my Tier 3 to be the entire scum team, could be 1 from each, but I’m feeling kinda good about my tier 3 right now

Looker Sus.

3 of the people who voted with me are my middle tier

I think I had plenty of gut pings on Looker to warrant going Looker today.

VOTE: Looker

Mech wise, it feels rough with only 2 PR's, but eh, Drew's could potentially do really well.

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Why did I get Vanillaised over Drew who claimed an Inno on Gamma, though, is one of the biggest questions.

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Gamma's Tree Stump was probably the last Alien Role, Celebloki probably got hit with the Inventor action, and Kitty was the factional kill.

NKA is worst for Roden imo.

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That being said, Roden cutting out Drew and Naerys is objectively strong, but if Looker flips town, that gets to be thrown out the window.

I think if Looker flips town, we always go Roden tomorrow, and I think that Roden also thinks that, so Roden by play is townie.

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ugh, Roden looks so bad when you look at Celebloki right before they got Frail. Just overall NKA, Drew action, and Yessiree defense, Roden looks ROUGH.

However, there's a few VCA that would require 3 scum real close together that look kinda good for Roden and Drew.

I think let's just go Looker. it makes sense to go them before Naerys based on bus drive anyways.

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Like I'm also trying to elicit reactions, i feel that should be clear.

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I didn't defend Roden so hard earlier to not take their read into consideration this late in the game. The fact it matches up with my main soul read all game is more than enough reason to go Looker.

They have had minimal analysis. They were on Roden counterwagon to Yessiree. They claimed Bus Driven action to an action that had been claimed a day earlier. And they weren't even clear about what night they did it when they claimed.

On top of that, there isn't any reason to town read Looker except for 'town only has 2 PR's if Looker is scum'

ya know what, town only has 2 PR's. Bus Driver doesn't really do much for town except muddy waters even more. It has the potential to absolutely wreck scum team if Bus Driver bussed the solo factional kill.

It's possible if Looker is town that Elements was Informed of Bus Driver being in the game, and maybe thats why they didnt use the kill early, so that's something in defense of Looker.

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Why did I get Vanillaised over Drew who claimed an Inno on Gamma, though, is one of the biggest questions.

Drew already explained that part, his role stopped working once he got a guilty

He didn’t claim that until after I was vanillad.

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He targeted Roden Night 2, I got Vanillad Night 2.

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Answer could be as easy as Looker and Elements didn’t know what was going on.

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Biggest defense for LookerTown is why am I still alive? Like why Kitty/Celeb/Gamma deaths over me?

Answer could be Looker thought it was suspicious, maybe Gamma stump was delayed. Kitty was following where I was a lot anywhere.

Who knows.

These are just questions I’m putting out there. I don’t expect like legitimate 100% correct answers right now.

But these type of questions are why I’m going back and forth a lot.

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What do you think Gamma? If you had a vote, and you HAD to vote right now, where would it be?

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That’s kind of what I was thinking.

Kills feel a little too specific for it to be Looker here.

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I hard pushed both dead scum members. Without me, they’d both be living and town would be destroyed atm.

It’s that type of complete unknowing of the gamestate that has me feeling Looker is probs town. But it could just be fake, I guess.

If it is, it’s working a little

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Looked being able to Bus Drive a Tree Stump ability doesn’t sit right with me, so I’m kinda okay with that not fitting right.

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Looker is just on a complete other level of mind sync than the entire game, and I feel that’s probably just Occam’s Razor scum disconnect.

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Not really what I’m talking about, unfortunately

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Yeas

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Naerys/Roden/Drew all on the wagon, though, is kinda rough, but if aliens have another kill, ta ta.

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Please be over

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If it ain’t over, Drew please just kill me.

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Fast Night

Premptive Vote: Naerys

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However you spell it

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Yay GG!

The Drew/Flavor paranoia wins again!

Why do you keep getting the most Drew scum gambit roles

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I’m actually astonished how my Yessiree/Looker soul reads turned out to be true, and how i chose to try and guilty my top town read

@Drew - you have to admit, your associations are scummy, lol.

Dan’s the only reason I kept considering Drew as town other than Mech reasons.

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Flavor thanks for carying my lazy butt this game xD ur pocket was very comfy indeed

I thought you were super townie, but the only possibility I felt you being scum was Looker possibly being town, and you were in the POE thereafter.

They legit tried to get rid of you being essentially inno’d.

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Also, damn, I’m happy i didn’t start doubting my Roden scum read until Day 4 (which I feel it was fair to start doubting a bit)

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3 scum fades in a row.

And a Page 7 quick fade on Wheme.

But people doubt the quick wagon on a Vanilla

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I’m actually astonished how my Yessiree/Looker soul reads turned out to be true, and how i chose to try and guilty my top town read

This was wild
I wondered if you shifted me to your top town read to try and make us not block you so you could check me just in case.

I kept you there because I planned to check you.


I even said in the game thread I planned to fake a Town read on Drew, so I could check them that day, but i decided against it with Drew.

That night, you can see in my PT, i was leaning towards it being Elements/Drew, and I targeted Elements because you’d be the one doing stuff.

And you Vanilla’d me.

So I did it expecting a guilty, but in the hopes I was wrong, you would be conf town probably, which I also liked.

Your analysis was a little too good on why I was town

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It was a good game, though.

So tell me why Looker is scum here

I standby Looker is scum.

I soul read Looker scum on Post 39.

I still really don’t have a reasoning as to why other than that disconnect that I brought up on Day 4.

I just had no reason until later, and then me not dying made me almost town read them.

All 3 kills pointed towards Roden imo, but it was just so hard for me to see Roden as scum. They were Yessiree’s counterwagon and defended Yessiree WAY too much.

The fact Scum successfully pulled off the Vulnerable heist is kinda wild

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3 scum fades in a row.

And a Page 7 quick fade on Wheme.

But people doubt the quick wagon on a Vanilla

D1 quickwagons win games when you’re around lmfao

You and Kitty got so unbelievably townie.

And to an extent, so did Naerys and Celebloki, but not as much as the two of you.

This was one of Kitty’s strongest performances I’ve seen. They brought the claws to this one.

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I wanna see that very limited dead thread and scum pt

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Who won

We got 3 back to back scum after you died

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That bus driver claim by Looker was kinda tech btw
Denied a clear that was actually legit

Yeah, it was really solid. Looker at the end with actions and claim did as well as they could have with what they had to work with.

I actually began to doubt my soul read on them, which ask Yessiree. That’s not easy to do.

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AD and Celeb the 1%'ers.

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Not counting RN since they were never here.

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what are your thoughts on Looker, Drew, and Vander?

and what does Bloodhound do?

and what does Bloodhound do?

town/not town

Looker

am happy to scum bin
is playing different to the games I've played with scum!looker before but they are a few years old now

Drew

was scum leaning before the claim
I think the claim is probably town

Vander

no thoughts, head empty

what about ActionDan/Naerys?

Naerys town
Dan can go in the scum pile

How did you like my questions, Elements? I was making ya give all your reads before I claimed the guilty.

I feel like you mightve known it was towards you, but were really hoping I was faking it or something.

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Drew, Gamma, Roden, and I had a really good Round Table going for a decent portion of the game. I do think Drew's read on Yessiree and Elements were pivotal because I didn't agree with either of them, and it made me look at a lot of reasons for and against each of them, so the fact I was looking at all the reasons why they weren't scum actually ended up helping my reads towards the both of them.

I release my Notes PT, no redactions.

If anyone wants that. I think it's only a page, but there's some stuff there.

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Scum didn’t have any kills until N3, so i saw it as possible, and town’s lack of strength against it just made it solid on a power level, but I did start to think about how a Scum could get tree stumped with that ability, and that’s one of the main things that lead me to solidifying my vote on Looker.

I like to play Devil’s Advocate until something gets me to stick a lot of times, and even if wrong, it just makes me look at a lot of different angles.

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We gonna get to see dead and scum PT?

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Funnny how scum thought Gamma-Drew-FL or Dan was also a neighborhood.

We were just communicating in main thread