Open 898: Don't Fall In The Volcano! | Game Over!

[Black]

I think this argument is +town for both of you

I disagree, but if it is tvt, scum are just coasting, so it has to end for a while.

Yeah run along now

You really are making this game miserable. Hope you're proud of yourself.

This is probably a town post btw. It could be scum faking these emotions but I kinda doubt it

[Black]

The fact she was trying to break up a TvT fight; scum wouldn't want that to end, because if its truly a TvT fight both of them kinda get ignored. It just kinda makes me lean more towards a neutral view on klick

I disagree here but I can see why you would believe that

I think it makes scum look +town to interfere and call something tvt, and it would be easy for Klick to do here if he's scum and Clap is town

I mean scum writing it off as TVT fight would only make it appear like it was a TVT fight; The only way I see it being benefical is if there was a scum in the "TVT" and the other scum was trying to get them both written off

I have seem scum play the mediator role before for exactly this reason. It makes some players think they're town. Easy towncred

[Black]

I'm not saying that's what Klick is doing. I still think he could be town, but I wouldn't write it off as a definitive town move

[NekoLover]

Well my gut feeling for them being scum was also a bit more baseless so

[Klick]

VOTE: FakeGod

whats the incentive to vote FakeGod here?

In short, I'm not convinced that FakeGod is solving instead of just posting enough out in the open designed to look plausible enough to get by atm

[NekoLover]

Makes sense

[Black]

VOTE: FakeGod

whats the incentive to vote FakeGod here?

In short, I'm not convinced that FakeGod is solving instead of just posting enough out in the open designed to look plausible enough to get by atm

I had this thought too

Maybe you are town

[Black]

VOTE: FakeGod

Let's explore it

[NekoLover]

VOTE: FakeGod
I'm following the train

This leaves FakeGod at E-2

[Aureal]

KawaiiKame replaces Titus.

[NekoLover]

Hi kawaii!

[KawaiiKame]

VOTE: FakeGod

whats the incentive to vote FakeGod here?

In short, I'm not convinced that FakeGod is solving instead of just posting enough out in the open designed to look plausible enough to get by atm

May you please explain this? I just got in so Idk what you mean. What posts show FakeGod not solving?

[Black]

Hi Kawaii :3

[Black]

Had you read anything at all before writing 411?

[KawaiiKame]

Had you read anything at all before writing 411?

Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane

[KawaiiKame]

I don't think putting someone to E-1 on page 2 and keeping her there is a good idea, because how easy it would be for a scum (or town) to "accidentally" place hammer and evading responsibility on Day 2. Now, if an actual quickhammer had occurred and the flip was scum, I would give massive towncred to the hammerer, but that is besides the point. I'm also not sure if Black was scum or not, because I can see myself reacting like that if I were to run up to E-1 right away, and I can see a scum player faking it as well.

I think the main engine behind the wagon was Sky and Dragon, and I see a strange but plausible town motivation and explanation from Sky's posts, hence my Dragon vote.

However, 154 is so cringey that I'm having trouble seeing scum Dragon writing it. If that is within his scum range, then bravo.

VOTE: Klick

I'm not following the logic to voting Klick with town-reading Sky's reasoning and Dragon's post. Is voting Klick PoE? What's your scum case on Klick? If I missed it let me know

[Black]

Had you read anything at all before writing 411?

Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane

So you skimmed before asking Klick about FakeGod? Did you feel like Fake was solving in the posts you read?

[KawaiiKame]

It's only an option if people like you let them get away with it.

You're implying here that you don't think it's normal for townies to change their reads as new developments happen, which is a really weird opinion to have

You wouldn't think this was a weird opinion to have if you were on the site 5ish years ago. Reads being fluid and subject to change easily and people just accepting that is a pretty recent update to our meta.

Were reads more hardline and less dynamic than before? At what point did people become convinced that x is scum and y is town and there is no way that they aren't? Like is there is a critical point in your mind?

[KawaiiKame]

Had you read anything at all before writing 411?

Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane

So you skimmed before asking Klick about FakeGod? Did you feel like Fake was solving in the posts you read?

I felt what FakeGod was being reasonable, 188 made sense minus the Klick vote.
I saw 230 making sense initially but now I want elaboration why the poe specifically points to Klick.
I see the observations in 348 as good, sorting through playstyles vs. alignment.

[KawaiiKame]

Why not? It's pretty obvious vote from my pov after eliminating sky and you from execute pool, and neko's obvtown.

Heck, his poe list (203) is literally two guys voting him, one person who said he'd vote him, and a person who's not here.

It looks like someone who's trying hard not to leave a paper trail.

By paper trail do you mean leading back to any potential scum partner?
Exclusively poeing people against is definitely playing it safe

[KawaiiKame]

Had you read anything at all before writing 411?

Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane

So you skimmed before asking Klick about FakeGod? Did you feel like Fake was solving in the posts you read?

I feel I read too fast to discern if anyone was solving, but I felt FakeGod was making good observations

[KawaiiKame]

Why not? It's pretty obvious vote from my pov after eliminating sky and you from execute pool, and neko's obvtown.

Heck, his poe list (203) is literally two guys voting him, one person who said he'd vote him, and a person who's not here.

It looks like someone who's trying hard not to leave a paper trail.

This feels solvey, specifically the paper trail comment. Indicating isolation between Klick and Klick's potential scum partner. FakeGod is both poeing town and scum casing Klick based on Klick's poe

[KawaiiKame]

Hi Kawaii :3

Is it only me and you rn?

[FakeGod]

I'm not following the logic to voting Klick with town-reading Sky's reasoning and Dragon's post. Is voting Klick PoE? What's your scum case on Klick? If I missed it let me know

Because how short it was since game start, and because the mod's votecount on page 2 did not reflect a E-1 state, a scum player could plausibly place a hammer on Black and evade responsibility Day 2, essentially gaining a free mis-execute. Therefore, this action of holding the E-1 wagon on page 2 is scum-favored.

4 people created the E-1 wagon on page 2. Their names are Klick, NekoLover, DragonEater70, and Skygazer. They held it until Neko unvoted at his earliest convenience, so I would remove Neko from the scum pool. Skygazer is the one who put poor Black on E-1 to begin with, but it was because he thought he saw a scumslip. If I saw a scumslip, I would take the same action he did. Dragon put momentum on the wagon by being the 3rd vote on the wagon, and my initial suspect out of the group (hence my early vote). I admit I did like 154. It felt a little hare-brained to me, but it could at least stumble through it and see what Dragon was thinking.

This leaves Klick. He said his first vote was RVS vote. Despite seeing Black pushed into E-1, he conveniently sidestepped the issue in his 36. Seems like he wants the job done but he doesn't want to say so outright. This looks scummy to me.

I hope this explains my voting of Klick to you.

[FakeGod]

By paper trail do you mean leading back to any potential scum partner?

That is correct.