In post 445, DragonEater70 wrote:
Also for future reference - is saying "I don't give a damn" offensive? I am not a native English speaker and sometimes I give different weight to words than native speakers.
It gives off the vibe of a really abrasive and aggressive tone and some people don't respond well to that. It's not crossing a line but I had a visceral reaction to it
In post 432, DragonEater70 wrote:
On second thoughts msybe that's just Kawaii's playstyle, I think I maybe saw similar interactions from them as town before
UNVOTE:
I'll pass final judgment when I am caught up
I can confirm that Kawaii plays a little weird. I've scumread him when he's been town a couple times so I'm hesitant to poke there. I kinda just want to see what else he cooks up
In post 448, Black wrote:
These posts are what gave me the feeling
In the first quote Kawaii mentions that he "just got in" so I got the impression that he didn't do much reading. It seemed weird that he questioned Klick's read right away and the timing made it worse considering the Fake wagon just gained steam
In the second quote he said he had skimmed the game, and in the third quote he gave a detailed analysis of why he thinks Fake is solving. It just felt strange for him to focus in on this one particular thing and it seems clear he spent a bit of time looking at it
I'm not sure if scum!kawaii would defend his buddy so hard right out the gate but it definitely gave me pause
Now that I'm looking at it I feel like Kawaii could be scum in a town!Fake world as well and he was using this as a launching point to make it seem like he's trying to solve. He could be trying a pockety type thing with Fake. I also think some of the stuff Kawaii asked after this felt odd, like the site meta from 5 years ago. I understand being interested in that type of stuff but it doesn't really pertain to this game and it seemed like posting just to post
I got into the game as FakeGod was being pushed, I wanted to know why FG was being pushed so I went into Fake's IS0 to see if I felt Klick was right about Fake not solving. I find it easiest to focus in on a specific thing than reading an entire game dp blind without knowing what to look into. Looking into it I feel Fake is solving and I want to explore the solve; Klick failing to unvote you at E-1 concerns me. I wanted to know at what point a read became set and why in Klick's mind in the old meta.
In post 454, KawaiiKame wrote:
I got into the game as FakeGod was being pushed, I wanted to know why FG was being pushed so I went into Fake's IS0 to see if I felt Klick was right about Fake not solving. I find it easiest to focus in on a specific thing than reading an entire game dp blind without knowing what to look into. Looking into it I feel Fake is solving and I want to explore the solve; Klick failing to unvote you at E-1 concerns me. I wanted to know at what point a read became set and why in Klick's mind in the old meta
There are like 4-5 sentences in Dann's ISO I like. Granted, his ISO has only 25 sentences (I counted), so maybe this doesn't mean much. Still, I think I usually find more to like in town!Dann's ISO.
OTOH the sentences I do like are pretty good sentences.
My verdict? Dann could be town. I am not going to townbin him just yet, but I am fine with not voting him right now.
I should probably have a look at FG and Kawaii now.
In post 188, FakeGod wrote:
I don't think putting someone to E-1 on page 2 and keeping her there is a good idea, because how easy it would be for a scum (or town) to "accidentally" place hammer and evading responsibility on Day 2. Now, if an actual quickhammer had occurred and the flip was scum, I would give massive towncred to the hammerer, but that is besides the point. I'm also not sure if Black was scum or not, because I can see myself reacting like that if I were to run up to E-1 right away, and I can see a scum player faking it as well.
I think the main engine behind the wagon was Sky and Dragon, and I see a strange but plausible town motivation and explanation from Sky's posts, hence my Dragon vote.
However, 154 is so cringey that I'm having trouble seeing scum Dragon writing it. If that is within his scum range, then bravo.
VOTE: Klick
Let me see if I understand this.
Black was at E-1 for 6 minutes. Klick posted within that 6 minutes but didn't unvote. So, Klick is scum. Is that the gist of it?
So, uh.. you think town Klick decided to leave Black, who is also town, at E-1 for reasons that help town?
May I ask what those reasons are?
You must understand that this series of events seem very cut-and-dry to me, and I am incredulous that you would defend Klick's behavior here.
I am incredulous that you are seriously pushing the narrative that not unvoting has any bearing on Klick's alignment.
Let me ask you a question: in the hypothetical universe where it is reasonable to expect town!Klick to unvote 100% of the time, what does scum!Klick gain from not unvoting?
In post 462, Claptastik wrote:
Black was at E-1 for 6 minutes. Klick posted within that 6 minutes but didn't unvote. So, Klick is scum. Is that the gist of it?
Yes. Black could have been hammered during that time. Town Klick would have unvoted or reaffirmed his vote for the E-1.
He instead ignored it. Does that look town behavior to you?
In post 463, DragonEater70 wrote:Let me ask you a question: in the hypothetical universe where it is reasonable to expect town!Klick to unvote 100% of the time, what does scum!Klick gain from not unvoting?
Chance of a trigger happy town or his scum partner to place an "accidental" hammer and gaining a mis-execute.
