open 896: describing conker (game over)

[shiki]

which like, also think meuh's reaction to wagon makes sense - i too benefit greatly from players interacting with me in ways that will help them see that i am town and i also don't think voting me accomplishes that so it felt fine

there's like, an odd amount of noone considering that to you and elements it's fifty percent you're mafia and if you want the wagon why would elements hammer etc but! still ten pages to go

[shiki]

right now my most confident scum read is ari tbh and I’d prefer to just lim there even tho it’s small hood

I’ll try to reread next time i make it to thread and figure out where i think scum in the big hood is

atm i like fire’s push on oopsie but i havent thought about it enough yet

Also think black is town

VOTE: black

in addition to previous question could you walk me through your thought process/how you got from a to b since none of it seems to have made it into the thread

[shiki]

Ok gamers I'm just stuck right now. Essentially I wanted to look at other people in the big hood who hadn't been posting much like Afrayed and Dann but I've come to the realisation I can't rly do that without solving Fire first. He's the one person left in the POE so in order to break past that I need to justify to my head why I can let myself push past that.

The issue is I don't know how to solve Fire because he's mostly just been pushing me in recent pages and I don't know how to separate my bias from just objectively analysing the push. It's completely broke my brain lol. Like I think the push is just a bit shit and uses one mid read of mine to justify continuing to sit on me for the entire game, but it doesn't look like anyone in the game actually agrees with me on this so is it just bias?

I've wanted to maybe look at associatives in the small hood but with El there's been little interaction (El was on the push onto Fire but El's been on p much every push this game lmao) and Ari's 575 feels like way too easy of a fold on what is a good point towards me being town so I think both of the sussy small hood gamers are likely to be with a scum!Fire in a scum!Fire world, tho based on gamestate I prefer my vote being on El right now.

I'll be honest Dann and Ari just seem like they're talking past each other based on a skim, but I've not had the energy to properly analyse any recent posting so take that with a grain of salt.

this post is so odd to me - time traveler energy feels so removed from everything around it

and solving afrayed knott or dannflor solves fireisredsir i don't really understand why there need be any order whatsoever

solving anyone person in the big hood solves them all

[shiki]

solving anyone person in the big hood solves them all

at least solving as a scums, if you find one to be town then sure, but it seems difficulty in solving fireisredsir would simply lead to you trying to solve others instead to solve fireisredsir that way, no?

[shiki]

and if you find all but one to be town then that works as well, i guess i don't understand why that would be a hangup

or what made you make that post at that time

[shiki]

anyway i am caught up-ish

will be around for a bit in the morning when i wake up (~6 hours) to try to think about things with a clearer head i know we have limited time

[shiki]

[Elements]

Liking Shiki's catchup

[Elements]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

[Aristeia]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

do you like Dann's read of the slot at all

is his reasoning for why Black is mafia compelling to you?

[Elements]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

do you like Dann's read of the slot at all

is his reasoning for why Black is mafia compelling to you?

It's almost entirely based on partner equity with you right
So no, not really

[Elements]

I'm leaning you more town over ydra now btw
Not by a lot but if I had to pick right now

[Aristeia]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

do you like Dann's read of the slot at all

is his reasoning for why Black is mafia compelling to you?

It's almost entirely based on partner equity with you right
So no, not really

I mean still scum

I think the way she has interacted (or not interacted) with both me and Ari is strange and that is regardless of Ari’s alignment

[shiki]

it's mostly difficult to see where it came from

right, like, the only mention of any suspicions regarding was about black townreading dannflor too easily, and then dannflor townread multiple things from black and said black was town, even while presenting aristeia as most likely scums,

and then suddenly black was a scums to dannflor both with aristeia and without and i guess it's hard for me to see how lack of interaction in that like 160 post window would have been so convincing to him

[Elements]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

do you like Dann's read of the slot at all

is his reasoning for why Black is mafia compelling to you?

It's almost entirely based on partner equity with you right
So no, not really

I mean still scum

I think the way she has interacted (or not interacted) with both me and Ari is strange and that is regardless of Ari’s alignment

Afaik Black has been busy irl, hence the replace out, so I don't see the lack of engagement as ai
So I still concur with my previous statement of not compelling

[shiki]

which like, sure maybe it just wasn't committed to the thread i certainly change how i am viewing things without doing so frequently but even then it's hard for me to follow

like if i'm going to base partner equity on 'black is not interacting with aristeia' and part of that case is also 'black is not interacting with me' it's like, ??? and i guess looking at it at no point did it feel like black was avoiding interaction to me i get that my view there is biased by my knowledge of alignment but it's not like dannflor or aristeia are really trying to interact with black and black is dodging it or anything

[Meuh]

Yoooo shiki
You town?

[shiki]

as always

[shiki]

idk how confident i’m feeling about hero shooting in the big neighbourhood right now

also it’s probably noteworthy that all of the movement vote wise and such is within such a small subset of players and everyone else just seems fine with letting it be

[Skygazer]

votecount 1.15

Aristeia (1) - Afrayed Knott
OopsieDaisy (1) - Elements
Elements (1) - OopsieDaisy
fireisredsir (1) - shiki
shiki (1) - Dannflor

not voting

(4) - Ydrasse, Meuh, fireisredsir, Aristeia

with nine alive, it takes five to give someone the plague. day one ends in (expired on 2023-12-20 15:30:00).

mod notes:

[Dannflor]

right now my most confident scum read is ari tbh and I’d prefer to just lim there even tho it’s small hood

I’ll try to reread next time i make it to thread and figure out where i think scum in the big hood is

atm i like fire’s push on oopsie but i havent thought about it enough yet

Also think black is town

VOTE: black

in addition to previous question could you walk me through your thought process/how you got from a to b since none of it seems to have made it into the thread

i reread and changed my mind

[Dannflor]

Look

I have played with Black a lot this year. Like we've played a shit-ton of games together. I think I know her pretty well and how she works as both alignments and I think I've gotten pretty decent at reading her.

The thing with Black is that she is hyperactive and paranoid as town, I start getting the heebie-jeebies if she hasn't started theorizing that I could be scum by at least half way through D1. This game, she gave me a way too easy town read. We just like "mindmelded" a few times and that was that. Same thing with Aristeia! Honestly, if Ari and I are both town this is probably how I'd expect scum to interact with us.

I think town!Black interrogates me a bit more than she did this game, and takes some genuine interest in trying to solve me. Instead, I feel she was mostly avoiding me and it felt she played similarly around Ari.

I also think her reaction to me pushing her was... not towny. I think town!Black should expect me to read her correctly by now. The fact that her reaction was "fade me if you want im busy" and now "you should be reading me correctly" or even a reactive push against me makes me think she's just scum here

[Dannflor]

I don't even know if I think Ari is scum now as much as I think black's slot is scum

[Dannflor]

Dann has this new rejuvenation of the Black/Shiki slot given you any pause to reconsider your read at all?

no, shiki has not been towny

[Dannflor]

shiki feels like it's dancing around a read on me