I have stopped responding atm mostly because I'm doing evening with the kids
But also I think answering your current questions would impede on my process and would prefer to play it out a bit longer while I get a more confident read on the game state
In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote:
Regardless, I disagree with you about the (implied) idea that we should focus on townreads more than on scumreads. I am of the opinion that it is much easier for scum to fake townreads than scumreads (because the person they are townreading is actually town, most of the time, and they could have good reasons to TR them), and by focusing on townreads we're letting scum blend in much more easily.
In other words, it's very easy to say "I love pizza and I think Klick also loves pizza", and doesn't really lead to any conflict, whereas saying "I think implo secretly loves lasagna" is bound to stir the pot, so to speak.
this is just the wrong strategy for the setup, and also if you think like this,
isn't giving out 2 townreads something scum is more likely to do?
I don't think this idea that "focusing on townreads let's scum blend in" is your actual opinion if you're giving out a TR to Appearance for giving 2 TRs early in separated posts. Pretty much everything you've posted so far feels like a performance, and to cap it off with this I just think you're trying to throw a wrench in the coalition phase.
Not really unless you think scum is more likely to give 2 TR's in regular mafia (which I don't think).
On the other hand this post feels really forced.
How would me having scumreads be throwing a wrench in the formation of the coalition?
If anything I'm the person working most actively on forming a coalition, considering I have 3 people in my coalition while you only have yourself.
HURT: Kyo, implo
This is not the point I'm making. In 46,
you say that we should focus scumreads more than townreads
because focusing townreads lets scum blend in. At the same time, you say Appearance is town and so far all he'd done was give out 2 unexplained TRs. If you think scum blends in by focusing on TRs, you don't also think that Appearance is town. You're claiming to have one philosophy on how to play the setup that contradicts your reads.
In post 54, Appearance wrote:
elements maybe town for not focusing so much on forming a townblock.
half my posts are about towning T3?
i would say that since t3 is a consensus tr at this point, i don't see scum!you benefiting much for doing something that implo has done too and was sred for
do you have any concerns about t3 being so town read so early?
for now, i'm ok with t3 tho he hasn't done too much so might be worth it later to reaccess reads on him.
Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?
more of a general fear based a quick read through of the last coalition game i found.
in that, this setup encourages distancing as a scum tactic.
tho klick/dragon did add to my worries of potential distancing.
In post 102, DragonEater70 wrote:
As for my read on Klick, he feels like he's not trying to be TR'd at all (unless he is playing a game of "let's pocket Dragon and get null'd by everybody else", which if it is the case then I wish him luck with that since idk how far it will get him), and I think that makes him pretty towny.
who do you think is trying to do that then?
he hasn’t posted a lot so i struggle to see how someone can very comfortably make that call i guess. there’s a part of me that thinks he could be playing a clever wolf game based on how he treated you by like… kind of uno carding you. i don’t know how likely this is but i felt it was possible, and if he was doing something like that he’s now got someone in his court without much loss. with what looks like recent history it makes sense to me that he might want to capitalize on that when presented with the chance, etc
On Ydra: I liked that her read on me was just vibes. It also made sense to me because I think my play has been mostly pretty boring and easily could provoke the thought of “this is where I think scum would be”.
In post 26, Appearance wrote:
btw, i just realised my browser messes up the font that prism uses for the vcs
Just checking: Is the latest VC readable for everyone?
Most mobile browsers render a different font than the one I use, which is fine by me, but if the VC is mangled or difficult to parse, let me know and I'll switch it up.
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In post 76, implosion wrote:
DragonEater has a certain aesthetic to his reasoning that reminds me of myself in a way, probably moreso in the past than now. The idea of viewing x thing as more/less likely to come from scum (i.e. reading 1 vs 2 people in an opening post) in such a way that really looks like splitting hairs unless you're the one making the claim. I think when I would post that way I probably tended to do it more as town than scum because it's a lot easier to naturally come up with a sort of hairbrained theory when you're genuinely thinking about the game. It's the kind of read I'd post in the first few pages and then go back and look at weeks later while rereading myself (as town) and genuinely have no idea how I came to the conclusion in the read. I think his first couple pages are fairly towny.
Agreed - I suspect that his 'conspiracy theories' are +town but I'd have to take a look at his meta.
In post 26, Appearance wrote:
btw, i just realised my browser messes up the font that prism uses for the vcs
Just checking: Is the latest VC readable for everyone?
Most mobile browsers render a different font than the one I use, which is fine by me, but if the VC is mangled or difficult to parse, let me know and I'll switch it up.
It’s been fine for me!
Also miscellaneous thoughts:
Klick moved up in my reads a bit because of him saying that he’d been ambiguous about his read on Dragon, at a time when I think he had only really expressed a scumread there. I think this is more likely from town because scum are more likely to be hyper-aware of the “positions” they are taking on people while town are more likely to believe that because they
felt
ambiguous about someone it would come across in their posts.
On implosion, there are specific ways in which I feel he has tried to look town, but I want to give implosion a chance to be able to properly engage with the game (and also see whether the things concerning me continue) before going all in on that.
When I go through my townreads (which I have too many of, I know), the one that least holds up to scrutiny at the moment is T3. I was doubting Appearance for a while but looking back I feel like the backtracking by saying that maybe Klick/Dragon didn’t look like distancing was more likely consistent with townie lack of confidence. Still not sure though, because the T3 read in particular doesn’t feel proactive, as if they’re taking the fact that T3 will be in the coalition as a given and not questioning it, but again… could be town struggling with confidence in their reads.
@ the three of you: I'm less interested in discussing everyone else, and more interested in discussing why this group is pure. We can work out an ideal fifth shortly, but I want to iron out confidence in this as a group first. I feel not certain, but fairly confident that this group is pure, and I think discussing the details of that is the best use of our thread space.
(but not right now because I'm getting ready for work)
Wild that less than 3 pages have happened since my last content.
I have mixed feelings about the "implosion is trying to look like town" angle. I both want to say that it's probably a personality/playstyle quirk and that of course I'm going to try to look like town in a setup that is about finding and being found as town (which is I guess every setup that I've played since stepping down as listmod >_>). I don't think the latter is really being fair to the argument but it is just an annoying accusation to have levied when idk, I think I do fundamentally play the game with wanting to appear town in mind as town because I just enjoy the game more when I am found as town, it's probably not even out of thinking it's the best way to win, it's just the way I automatically think about the game.
I think probably something that does exist is being seen there but it's probably something you'd see in pretty much any of my towngames and it's telling that I'm being townread by Ydrasse (who has played with me very recently and also i think a second time semi-recently) and scumread by dragoneater (who i think has never played with me) and deasvail (who i'm pretty sure i've played with but probably not in something like half a decade). Though it is possible Ydrasse is scum
