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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:00 am

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In post 786, Klick wrote: Tbh a lot of people came in and started talking like they knew everything and it made me want to do something with my time other than look at the thread
I have the same thought

I really don't want to look at this game right now, giving it bare minimum.

I also think it's disgusting that T3 didn't voice a single scumread on me until coalition failed and is now pushong me like that. If he really thought that way he could have pushed me earlier.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:00 am

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In post 787, Klick wrote: If anyone believes in Dragon!scum and wants anyone to take Dragon!scum seriously they're going to need to present their reasoning pretty firmly to badge the current thread opinion

My reads currently have me at 2 of {Dunn, kyouko, T3}. Ydrasse/T3 feels really strange to me so I'm inclined to vote Kyouko. It'd make sense with the push at the end of D1.

If people want to advocate elsewhere they're going to need to sell it.
Okay I am just going to lock Klick as town because I have the same reads.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:03 am

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Like if putting a half-hearted vote on a slot that I TR the least qualifies as powerwolfing, T3, then I guess I powerwolf in virtually every town game I play.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:27 am

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In post 785, Klick wrote: Right, I'm here for an hour
In post 784, Dunnstral wrote: There are some aspects of implosion's trajectory through the day that feel like they're how he would have played the day as scum.
Hard disagree
I do wonder how much of Dunn's post was snark rather than totally serious, but I actually do have some ongoing reservations regarding implosion that I'm happy to hold on today but they'll be swirling around in my mind in the meantime.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:22 am

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mmm is a pretty good post if dragon is scum
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:24 am

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DE crumblin
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:42 am

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In post 805, gob wrote: DE crumblin
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:57 am

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ok i keep running into more of these posts, and i think from spec the biggest thing that rang alarm bells for me about dragon was how he kept repeatedly saying "wow i hope klick isn't pocketing me!!" in a way that felt extremely forced bc nothing that klick was doing looked like it could resemble pocketing dragon and if anything it looked way more like the opposite

and that felt like the kind of thing that i like to do as scum a lot except it was done in a much more sloppy way imo. i like to think at least that there's some finesse to the play

having read more closely now (on page 12) ill have a bit more to say about more general stuff once i have some time to type words
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:09 am

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is super towny imo
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:42 am

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In post 790, fireisredsir wrote: hello friends!!
hi fire!!!
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:43 am

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ur slot was my lowest tr.
but ur catchup seems good to me.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:56 am

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I am enjoying fire's catchup yes
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:34 pm

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In post 384, implosion wrote: There's a world where is dragon + one of DV/Klick as scum and Dragon sees an excuse to try to replace the double-scum coalition that's been building with a single-scum coalition. That would also mirror my play in the scum coalition game I mentioned. In that sense that when the game was going well, I went a bit out of my way to try to get the other scum off of the coalition (when that plan failed, I had to bus them on the first lim).
hm. this was like exactly the thought i had when i saw that post. interesting

it felt very much like a pivot to establish a better gamestate

but i kind of dismissed it because i don't really read dv or klick as scum. both feel towny to me. which made me start to wonder if my read on dragon was wrong, because i didn't really see a scum motivation behind him making that post, despite it feeling like it was part of a plan

but now part of me wonders if it was intended to be read that way by a dragon/implo team. in that world, they would probably be worried about how both of them seemed too okay with the coalition (dragon in, implo out) going through. the thing with coalition setup is that the scum in the coalition almost never endgames. and i know implo as scum likes to plan ahead paths to victory, and i think dragon does too. so knowing that dragon would likely eventually flip, planting this here makes it look like dragon is unhappy with the gamestate and wants to shake things up -- which points away from implosion and towards DV or klick

im not sure if that's like too elaborate of a plan, idk, my predictions of that sort of thing aren't always accurate. but it does feel like dragon has this energy throughout the game where he feels like he wants to be doing more, taking more control, forcing the gamestate into places he wants it to go. and he's presenting that as a town mindset, but if he is scum, then i think that kind of energy could manifest in making plays like this. i recognize it because i think i have that kind of energy as scum a lot, where i want to keep doing more and keep setting things up and improving the position
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:42 pm

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the thread trajectory of DV ending up in the fun car is really intriguing to me
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:51 pm

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i skimmed over the remaining paragraphs in while commenting on the first one and only read them fully now but they are a major HMm

aligns pretty much exactly with what i think implo would be agendaposting in that dragon/implo world
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:01 pm

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page 16/17 is making me a little more conflicted than i was before about appearance

the specific variety of self-consciousness feels more like a scum thing

the thought process in the read of the gamestate still feels like town though
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:05 pm

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tracks to me with what my read of klick's side of the klick/dragon interaction was, which is mostly klick being somewhat dismissive/uninterested in dragon's attempts to engage, and kind of keeping him at arm's length for the sake of observation

which i think is part of what makes it weird that dragon is saying that klick was trying to pocket him
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:19 pm

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oh yeah was a major post that i scumread from spec. that one's really hard for me to see as genuine
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:23 pm

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In post 488, Appearance wrote:  i started to feel that t3 had lost the aura that initially drew me in
huh, did a double take here, ive never heard appearance talk like this. i don't know if it's AI but it's interesting
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:50 pm

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dragon continuing to effort near the end of coalition forming is pretty towny

mmmm idk im unsure now
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:59 pm

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implosion also feels unagendad at end of phase and start of elim phase posting is good so uhh
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:32 pm

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So who is the wolf here fire?
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:42 pm

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idk i was excited when i thought i had a solve and then i started to lose grasp on the confidence i had on my reads and then when i did i lost motivation and stopped reading around the time coalition failed

ill pick back up later
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:43 pm

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In post 805, gob wrote: DE crumblin
what did you mean by this
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:26 pm

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In post 823, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 805, gob wrote: DE crumblin
what did you mean by this
Looked like he was crumblin

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