Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Klick]

By 'sureness', do you mean the active questioning of the alternative to try and check my answer

[DeasVail]

I’m pretty happy with Klick, Dragon and Elements being town.
Ydrasse and Appearance are sort of waiting in the wings, ready to break into my townreads but in particular I want to see Ydrasse’s l8r thoughts.

T3, Kyouko and implosion have not made a town impression on me yet. I thought kyouko’s entrance was particularly promising but otherwise the posts have followed a pattern of “what someone would think they should post” rather than posts that gives me the impression of town truly trying to sort the game.

[Klick]

HURT: Ydrasse

I think it's sensible to hold the group at {Klick, Dragon, DV, Elements} until we're on the same page or someone feels strongly about a fifth

I think your thoughts on Kyouko are sensible. I can imagine a Kyouko/implosion world where implosion is playing to disrupt the in-group and Kyouko is playing to potentially enter it

[DeasVail]

that was my pet theory too, though I'm not confident in it

[Ydrasse]

HEAL: klick, dragoneater, elements, appearance, deasvail

i have caught up but don’t have… a lot to say about the game, in specifics. i kind of feel like town is finding each other easily and wolves are having a hard time breaking into that sphere rather than trying to tear down someone. i guess it could mean they feel comfortable with the gamestate (which makes sense imo, a lot of the core of the coalition i just suggested seems common across multiple slots) and that the lack of hard tearing down from anywhere else is because town is on the outside of it.

i wanted to make a coalition without myself in it to see how confident i feel and the answer is ehhhh. maybe? i would probably sub out elements and/or appearance first.

[Ydrasse]

i don’t have any particular thing at this point i can point to about elements but she feels very different compared the last game we just played together when she was town which is a bit of a ? moment but there are some factors i could see influencing that.

appearance similarly makes me wary just off of how they post which, lol, but there are points in their posting that i like so shrug!!

[DragonEater70]

HEAL: klick, dragoneater, elements, appearance, deasvail

i have caught up but don’t have… a lot to say about the game, in specifics. i kind of feel like town is finding each other easily and wolves are having a hard time breaking into that sphere rather than trying to tear down someone. i guess it could mean they feel comfortable with the gamestate (which makes sense imo, a lot of the core of the coalition i just suggested seems common across multiple slots) and that the lack of hard tearing down from anywhere else is because town is on the outside of it.

i wanted to make a coalition without myself in it to see how confident i feel and the answer is ehhhh. maybe? i would probably sub out elements and/or appearance first.

Not sure I get this

If there is town outside the coalition wouldn't that mean there's scum inside?

[Ydrasse]

yes (though there are inherently going to be town on the outside anyways)

that however is not the main world i’m suggesting as most likely given the immediately preceding content

[Ydrasse]

it is me saying if i am wrong i think this is what the case is

[Klick]

HEAL: klick, dragoneater, elements, appearance, deasvail

i have caught up but don’t have… a lot to say about the game, in specifics. i kind of feel like town is finding each other easily and wolves are having a hard time breaking into that sphere rather than trying to tear down someone. i guess it could mean they feel comfortable with the gamestate (which makes sense imo, a lot of the core of the coalition i just suggested seems common across multiple slots) and that the lack of hard tearing down from anywhere else is because town is on the outside of it.

i wanted to make a coalition without myself in it to see how confident i feel and the answer is ehhhh. maybe? i would probably sub out elements and/or appearance first.

I appreciate this post and think it outlines a fair course of action

I want to think about Appearance slightly more but I'm probably happy with that 5.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm having a hard time seeing

why

DV is town. I feel like I can see that he

looks

town, but I also see a lot of agreeing. Like "I thought that too" kind of posting, and I feel like that's how scum gets into the coalition the easiest.

I think that's how I'd do it at least

[DragonEater70]

HURT: Klick, DeasVail
HEAL: Ydrasse

I think I have 5 town
Weakest of the 5 is probably Ydrasse atp?

Would mean 2 scum in {implosion, Appearance, T3, ssbm_Kyouko}

The question now is, are there any teams in that 4 that have been playing like they're about to lose if this coalition passes

I have been thinking about this...

I'd been thinking that implo, if scum, wasn't looking very concerned about an all-town coalition passing. Yes, he'd been discrediting me, but it feels a bit like a token effort. He doesn't even call me scum properly. If he were losing, I don't think he'd be playing like this.

Look at this post:

*snip*

If [DragonEater70's] suggested coalition gets passed and fails, I'll probably scrutinize him in more detail but right now it feels like I just don't have a ton of power in the game.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but it almost feels like he KNOWS my coalition will pass and fail, and he's setting up to be able to miseliminate me afterwards. I just don't think scum throws such weak shade when they see a clear trajectory of where the coalition is going, and it's going bad for them.

Now before this post I entertained the idea that implosion could be scum with Ydrasse, and that this is why he didn't try too hard to be in the coalition. But as of the last votecount before this post, my coalition was Dragon/Klick/DV/Appearance/Elements. AND, by the time 331 was made, DV had already made 299, where he seemed to be leaning toward a DKVAE coalition as well. So it seems out of place for scum!implo to go "oh well I guess I'd scrutinize DragonEater70 if his coalition fails" if he sees my coalition will most likely pass and he knows that it contains no scum.

I'm hurting Klick and DV specifically because I feel like they are the slots I scrutinized the least, and which have the highest partner equity with implo, out of the ones in my coalition:

Implosion is the player outside coalition most strongly fighting status quo
Implying implosion!scum is with someone outside coalition

If coalition does not pass, implosion's town equity goes up quite a bit

I feel this post could be partnered with implosion.

this gamestate is pretty demotivating for me. i'm pretty sure any seemingly-likely coalition right now is going to just fail and i'll be able to do things then but oy.

I think my ideal coalition right now would be me/elements/kyouko/ydrasse/(t3 or maybe klick)

The "maybe Klick" is like a tiny bit +partner distancing wise.

Also implo has no stated read on DV anywhere except the "hmm 69 is interesting but I don't know what I think about it". Which never lead to anything (I don't count saying "it could be a post scum made and could mean something about his partner" leading to anything).

So if implo is scum (and I admit I might be tunneled here), I think one of these is his partner.

@Everyone - thoughts?

[DragonEater70]

Also I forgot to say:

If implo is NOT scum, it's HIGHLY likely there's scum inside that coalition because I have a hard time seeing Kyo/T3 as the scum team, unless they just decided to give up this game.

[DragonEater70]

I'm having a hard time seeing

why

DV is town. I feel like I can see that he

looks

town, but I also see a lot of agreeing. Like "I thought that too" kind of posting, and I feel like that's how scum gets into the coalition the easiest.

I think that's how I'd do it at least

HEAL: Kyo

[Klick]

I'm having a hard time seeing

why

DV is town. I feel like I can see that he

looks

town, but I also see a lot of agreeing. Like "I thought that too" kind of posting, and I feel like that's how scum gets into the coalition the easiest.

I think that's how I'd do it at least

DV is a very agreeable person
This has been established already

[Klick]

I think by association implosion/DV is a reasonable scumteam
I can see how you read implosion play as setting up for failed coalition, but I don't know whether I'm convinced it's significantly more likely than him just being scum with T3 or Kyouko

I agree with the general logic that if implosion is town then the proposed coalition was probably a fail

But I also think you've presented plenty accurate evidence for myself!town and are paranoid about getting snowed
I'm willing to discuss the concept of DV-sxum but I don't think it's accurate

[DeasVail]

implosion's lack of read of me is a big part of what's concerning me. town-him should probably be scumreading me here, and I think that's been the implication, but why the hesitation?

[DeasVail]

also I do think that the scum strategy even if outside a potential all-town coalition would be to not rock the boat too much. It's in town's nature to become paranoid and second-guess.

[Appearance]

i'm going to be busy today
will post more later
sorry

[Klick]

I think DV is town because he is talking with confidence like he has real opinions

[Klick]

also I do think that the scum strategy even if outside a potential all-town coalition would be to not rock the boat too much. It's in town's nature to become paranoid and second-guess.

Like you're putting in the extra effort into the nuance here that makes me believe you care

[Prism]

implosion has been prodded. He has 24 hours to post before I begin searching for a replacement.

[T3]

I've reread through the game but I really don't have much to say

[Appearance]

I've reread through the game but I really don't have much to say

what are ur reads then?

[Appearance]

fmpov u seem to have slight trs on implo+me