Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[DragonEater70]

mmm 164 is a pretty good post if dragon is scum

What does this even mean

it means that it felt well-placed as far as gaining towncred, and if you're scum then it was well-timed and well-written. i have seen you play scum (pretty well imo) but it still made me stop and consider whether it was something i should be considering out of your range

i don't think id say it's a necessarily towny post (i would say the towniest posting you have is at the end of coalition phase) but it's certainly a post that is good at looking towny. i think you'd probably agree even if you are town that there is an element of performing for the sake of getting townread I. your posts, and whenever someone has that playstyle i find it hard to parse because i just see the performance and can't tell if its town performance or scum performance

I am performatove as town a lot

Quotes of people saying I am performatove as town (while being town themselves):

i feel like this is how DE70 plays it's always going to be a little calculated and verbose

Python's hammer is really fucking weird wtf.

Wait
This is not a hammer it's a meme
lol.

UNVOTE:
Temporarily because I don't want more "memes" happening.

This 3 together sounds "fabricated" in my mind. I can't put my finger on it why, though.

DE always sounds performative, it's not really alignment indicative for him

[DragonEater70]

Like I feel fireisredsir has decided to scumread me before reading my posts and is now looking for reasons to scunread me.

well thats kinda what happened. i did scumread you prior to reading the game more closely, and on reading closely im better able to support and rationalize where that scumread came from. that doesn't make it less valid, there still were specific origin points for the scumread (and i found several of them and pointed them out as i went, as well as some new ones)

i hear this like basically every time i catch up on a thread. it's just how read forming works for me

Yep this is scum.

[DragonEater70]

And yeah I don't see a reason with being townread as town

[fireisredsir]

I am performatove as town a lot

yes, that's what i said

[fireisredsir]

And yeah I don't see a reason with being townread as town

i assume there's a missing word or something here

[fireisredsir]

alright im caught up

i think appearance is fairly towny as well

I truly am not sure of the scumread there by any means, but of everyone on the coalition, I think Appearance has fit the most with what I expect from scumplay. I know that it is common to interpret appearance’s style of play as scummy, but I just don’t think it’s Dragon, and I agree that Ydrasse was townie.

what makes you think appearance over my slot?

[DragonEater70]

And yeah I don't see a reason with being townread as town

i assume there's a missing word or something here

Reason was supposed to be problem.

It's like 1 AM, whoopsie.

[DragonEater70]

I am performatove as town a lot

yes, that's what i said

I thought you said town could be performative but wasn't referring to me specifically

Again, 1 AM probably.

[fireisredsir]

i was saying that your play is performative as town and as scum, and i tend to find that playstyle hard to parse because the posts that are performance just read as "fake" to my radar and so it's hard for me to judge if it's the town sort of fake or the scum sort of fake

[fireisredsir]

what about 855 do you think is scum? you can answer in the morning if you want

[DragonEater70]

Sure I'll answer in the morning.

[DragonEater70]

mmm 164 is a pretty good post if dragon is scum

What does this even mean

it means that it felt well-placed as far as gaining towncred, and if you're scum then it was well-timed and well-written. i have seen you play scum (pretty well imo) but it still made me stop and consider whether it was something i should be considering out of your range

i don't think id say it's a necessarily towny post (i would say the towniest posting you have is at the end of coalition phase) but it's certainly a post that is good at looking towny. i think you'd probably agree even if you are town that there is an element of performing for the sake of getting townread I. your posts, and whenever someone has that playstyle i find it hard to parse because i just see the performance and can't tell if its town performance or scum performance

I am performatove as town a lot

Quotes of people saying I am performatove as town (while being town themselves):

i feel like this is how DE70 plays it's always going to be a little calculated and verbose

Python's hammer is really fucking weird wtf.

Wait
This is not a hammer it's a meme
lol.

UNVOTE:
Temporarily because I don't want more "memes" happening.

This 3 together sounds "fabricated" in my mind. I can't put my finger on it why, though.

DE always sounds performative, it's not really alignment indicative for him

Also funny trivia bit, both of the quoted people were talking to scum who were SRing me. Has no relevance here but I just realized this.

[DeasVail]

alright im caught up

i think appearance is fairly towny as well

I truly am not sure of the scumread there by any means, but of everyone on the coalition, I think Appearance has fit the most with what I expect from scumplay. I know that it is common to interpret appearance’s style of play as scummy, but I just don’t think it’s Dragon, and I agree that Ydrasse was townie.

what makes you think appearance over my slot?

I think that reading Dunnstral and Appearance so clearly as town is less likely to be a scum approach here

[Dunnstral]

I think fire is another person who I am sort of exceptionally bad at reading, at least I think I remember having weird trouble with reading them in some game. Their posting so far is consistent with what I remember of their towngame but I don't really remember their scumgame all that well.

I still like Dunn as a lim for today. I feel like this gamestate gives Dunn as scum every incentive to play the way he is of low throughput commentary without really committing to anything. There's lots of effort being directed kind of disorganizedly at fire and at Dragon and I feel like they're probably both town and Dunn fits well as scum in that world

I do think this would be a pretty needless tact for gob-scum to take

can you elaborate on this

I think if gob is scum he's probably happy to just keep drilling away at Dragon and getting townread by Dragon and others for it and this peer review exercise is just a way to unnecessarily draw attention to his slot

I am side eyeing you pretty hard for your push on me. Something about it doesn't feel like the way you play as town. You seem way too confident to be calling things out with little information to go on.

[Dunnstral]

alright im caught up

i think appearance is fairly towny as well

I truly am not sure of the scumread there by any means, but of everyone on the coalition, I think Appearance has fit the most with what I expect from scumplay. I know that it is common to interpret appearance’s style of play as scummy, but I just don’t think it’s Dragon, and I agree that Ydrasse was townie.

what makes you think appearance over my slot?

I think that reading Dunnstral and Appearance so clearly as town is less likely to be a scum approach here

I agree in theory. But their read on me seems to only be based on a joke post and I'm not sure they've commented on Ydrasse, so not sure how serious of a read that is. I'm guessing you think Appearance is town who looks like lim bait?

[fireisredsir]

i don't actually have a read on you, my read on your entrance was a joke because ive townread you for being funny in the past and i have 0 clue how accurate it is

my read on your slot is due to ydra, which i did mention. i think its maybe potentially dangerous to try to read into her emotional state but i think that hers makes a lot of sense to me as a town one. her general approach to the game and particularly the coalition itself felt more like town as well

deas is voting appearance so i don't think he thinks that appearance is town

[fireisredsir]

actually im not sure if i've ever townread you for it or if i've just continued the bit from when i did it when we were both scum in invictus

either way, it wasn't serious, i don't think you've done anything AI yet

[DeasVail]

alright im caught up

i think appearance is fairly towny as well

I truly am not sure of the scumread there by any means, but of everyone on the coalition, I think Appearance has fit the most with what I expect from scumplay. I know that it is common to interpret appearance’s style of play as scummy, but I just don’t think it’s Dragon, and I agree that Ydrasse was townie.

what makes you think appearance over my slot?

I think that reading Dunnstral and Appearance so clearly as town is less likely to be a scum approach here

I agree in theory. But their read on me seems to only be based on a joke post and I'm not sure they've commented on Ydrasse, so not sure how serious of a read that is. I'm guessing you think Appearance is town who looks like lim bait?

Indeed my concern is that Appearance is scum who looks like lim bait

[Prism]

Vote Count 1.3

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Player	Votes
DragonEater70 (2)	T3 (736), gob (741)
fireisredsir (1)	DragonEater70 (734)
Dunnstral (1)	implosion (746)
Appearance (1)	DeasVail (870)
Not Voting (4)	Klick, Dunnstral, fireisredsir (750), Appearance (840)

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-20 17:45:00).

[Appearance]

reading up again.

[Appearance]

surprisingly dragon is the top wagon rn.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral

His entrance is not exactly impressive and I feel like Ydrasse was scum. I feel like the aspects of her posting that people were saying she'd have trouble faking as scum are actually things she definitely can fake over the course of her being in this game

T3 yfrasse seem good. implo will need to go some point soon. maybr dunn too

Do you realize Dunn replaced Ydrasse?

Why does my entrance have to be impressive for me to be town?

I don't think you ever answered this.

I get that you disagree with the reasons people have called Ydrasse town, but why was she scum, specifically?

Part of it is very squishy PoE, I think there's scum in ydrasse/appearance/kyouko and Appearance feels inscrutable and I feel kyouko is usually town. There are some aspects of Ydrasse's trajectory through the day that feel like they're how she would have played the day as scum.

I'm not wanting to put much into this game for the long weekend but should have more energy to devote to things in circa a couple days

There are some aspects of implosion's trajectory through the day that feel like they're how he would have played the day as scum.

Right, I'm here for an hour

There are some aspects of implosion's trajectory through the day that feel like they're how he would have played the day as scum.

Hard disagree

What implosion posts in 783 here is super vague and you can say this about pretty much anyone. I don't think implosion is super vague as town like this so this feels off to me. Also I want to note that I copy paste what implosion writes and make it about them to try to showcase this and Klick responds super seriously but without much explanation. My belief here is that Klick did not even read implosion's post above and did not realize I was posting the same thing as implosion, and this not reading of posts strikes me as more likely to come from mafia (regardless of implosion's alignment really)

[Dunnstral]

Coalition	Voters
Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko (5)	DragonEater70, Klick, Ydrasse, DeasVail, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance (1)	implosion
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail (1)	Appearance
Not Voting (2)	T3, Elements

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to form a coalition.

A coalition has been achieved! The Coalition Phase is over, stand by for resolution.

Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool

Appearance, DragonEater70, Klick,

Okay, I have thought about it.

Ydrasse, Kyouko, are probably the two people we want to vote between.

^ this is my work, let me explain my thought process.

I think we vote between Ydrasse and Kyouko here today (I lean Kyouko) because looking at these pools. Appearance, DE70, Klick are the people on every pool.

Unless there is two mafia in these three, which is unlikely, then we are good limming OUTSIDE this today.

The mafia obviously cannot let 5 townies get nomm'd day 1 or its over. Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition. Obviously there is the whole thing of "i know im town so I needa be in the coalition" but the mafia

needs

to be in or they lose.

This is also why I think T3's slot is most likely town. Not sure why he didn't vote on the coalition but I feel like thats more towny than not, especially considering what Elements did.

So I am sorta leaning Kyouko right now, seems other people had heat against her too.

what does everyone think?

This post comes from the assumption that mafia are not already part of the three being nominated. If they are then mafia does not need to try extra hard to be in the coalition.

[gob]

anyone else kinda sus of deas? if DE flips red dias looks real bad

[gob]

Coalition	Voters
Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko (5)	DragonEater70, Klick, Ydrasse, DeasVail, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance (1)	implosion
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail (1)	Appearance
Not Voting (2)	T3, Elements

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to form a coalition.

A coalition has been achieved! The Coalition Phase is over, stand by for resolution.

Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool

Appearance, DragonEater70, Klick,

Okay, I have thought about it.

Ydrasse, Kyouko, are probably the two people we want to vote between.

^ this is my work, let me explain my thought process.

I think we vote between Ydrasse and Kyouko here today (I lean Kyouko) because looking at these pools. Appearance, DE70, Klick are the people on every pool.

Unless there is two mafia in these three, which is unlikely, then we are good limming OUTSIDE this today.

The mafia obviously cannot let 5 townies get nomm'd day 1 or its over. Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition. Obviously there is the whole thing of "i know im town so I needa be in the coalition" but the mafia

needs

to be in or they lose.

This is also why I think T3's slot is most likely town. Not sure why he didn't vote on the coalition but I feel like thats more towny than not, especially considering what Elements did.

So I am sorta leaning Kyouko right now, seems other people had heat against her too.

what does everyone think?

This post comes from the assumption that mafia are not already part of the three being nominated. If they are then mafia does not need to try extra hard to be in the coalition.

Yea i basically said that in my post. It goes off my assumption townies were trying to nominate only townies. I don’t think town collectively would be that wrong.

Its possible but its not like we cant look at those 3 under a microscope as potential partners.