Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Klick]

I can really clearly see a town mindset from fire. It's quite annoying that fire is one of the few scum players that I think aims for what I find really towny here

[Klick]

what makes you most confident on dragon being town? it read to me like you were fairly confident fairly early on in the game

@klick did you ignore this on purpose

No, I just forgot about it

I earlier read DragonEater as a player that didn't really have the capability of aggressively faking a genuine-looking town mindset as scum
There's a LOT of confidence and comfort in his position and expressing the nuances of that position. It's also pretty much exactly what I already expect from his town game

What I'm going to try to do now is verify myself whether this seems like an accurate read based on his meta
I know you've already had a look into his meta, but I'd like my own opinion

[Prism]

Vote Count 1.4

Player	Votes
fireisredsir (2)	DragonEater70 (734), gob (924)
DragonEater70 (1)	T3 (736)
Dunnstral (1)	implosion (746)
Appearance (1)	DeasVail (870)
Not Voting (4)	Klick, Dunnstral, fireisredsir (750), Appearance (840)

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-20 17:45:00).

[Klick]

while i'm looking, @dragon, what do you think the major differences are between your alignments, if any? how do you think differently? i feel like you can give a pretty good answer to this question

[Klick]

I am in a very strange mood

[fireisredsir]

i think fruit mafia is a useful read if you haven't

[Klick]

The scum PT there is a super fun read haha

[fireisredsir]

ari is a great scum partner, she gave some good advice

[fireisredsir]

i think dragon tends to downplay his scum abilities, particularly when he's scum, but he def does plan a lot and has a lot of excess energy, he's just still learning how to best use that to his advantage

the question i guess is just how far he has gotten at this point on his path as a developing scum player. but from my reading at least it feels like he's going to get there at some point, and clearly wants to

[gob]

im getting railed

[gob]

I think the winning play ia fire and if were weong quick limming Dragon

[fireisredsir]

i don't think quicklimming is like ever the winning play

[gob]

i don't think quicklimming is like ever the winning play

figure of speech. I am basically saying you two both have scum equity and if one isnt scum then the other likely is.

[fireisredsir]

im not really sure i would recommend sheeping my dragon read if you lim me. im not like even sure i scumread him anymore

[Klick]

I don't really want to lim fire today I don't think

[Klick]

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Oh shit I didn't quite realise that was where we were at.

[Klick]

I've gone back to read Dragon's early game here

The main thing that feels compelling to me about Dragon!town is just how much he's into his own mindset

I don't know, I don't feel like I'm being... taken for a ride? In the way the scum games looked. The purpose of Dragon's free-flowing posting when he's scum seems to definitely be to project confidence and authentic progression of thought. Here, a lot of Dragon's posting feels very upfront, like 'I think Klick is town with a caveat, I think implosion is trying too hard to look like he's solving and here's why'. There's a sort of reasonableness behind it. I can see it just being where Dragon!town's head is at in the present moment. If there's an agenda, it's right in the open and not so aggressive, and I've not seen that as Dragon's go-to in his scum games.

[DragonEater70]

Duck.

I had this whole concept of how fireisredsir's town game looks and then I went and read one of his scum games and it looks identical. So I guess meta isn't going to save me here.

[DeasVail]

I feel like I can have an inclination to scumread active "town-looking" players, and so I'm incredibly sympathetic to the Dragon scumreads - I can see how one would think that this is Dragon-scum, but I'm not compelled that this is game represents Dragon-scum more than it represents Dragon-town, which is still a much more likely reality in my mind.

[Klick]

I feel like I can have an inclination to scumread active "town-looking" players, and so I'm incredibly sympathetic to the Dragon scumreads - I can see how one would think that this is Dragon-scum, but I'm not compelled that this is game represents Dragon-scum more than it represents Dragon-town, which is still a much more likely reality in my mind.

This, but @Dragon and about fireisredsir

[DragonEater70]

Save me from having to use my brain in order to discern whether fireisred is actually town or scum, that is.

Pedit: DV could you be less general and more specific here?

[DragonEater70]

I feel like I can have an inclination to scumread active "town-looking" players, and so I'm incredibly sympathetic to the Dragon scumreads - I can see how one would think that this is Dragon-scum, but I'm not compelled that this is game represents Dragon-scum more than it represents Dragon-town, which is still a much more likely reality in my mind.

This, but @Dragon and about fireisredsir

You think theyr'e trying to look town? I don't think they are though

[DragonEater70]

Btw @fireisredisir do you use he/him or other pronouns?

[Klick]

I think fire is a fantastic scum player and he has totally snowed me before

He has also been blindingly obvious town before and shown it through his play

PEdit: my assumption is that that's always somewhere on the back of fire's mind as either alignment

[DragonEater70]

I've gone back to read Dragon's early game here

The main thing that feels compelling to me about Dragon!town is just how much he's into his own mindset

I don't know, I don't feel like I'm being... taken for a ride? In the way the scum games looked. The purpose of Dragon's free-flowing posting when he's scum seems to definitely be to project confidence and authentic progression of thought. Here, a lot of Dragon's posting feels very upfront, like 'I think Klick is town with a caveat, I think implosion is trying too hard to look like he's solving and here's why'. There's a sort of reasonableness behind it. I can see it just being where Dragon!town's head is at in the present moment. If there's an agenda, it's right in the open and not so aggressive, and I've not seen that as Dragon's go-to in his scum games.

Damn Klick did his research

I definitely do do those things as scum.