Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Enchant]

Do i look like perspn who read game??

no, you dont even read your own posts

Oh well.
Who does?

[Naerys]

me, sometimes

[Enchant]

That's why i am immune to shitposts.

[Enchant]

Anyway i doubt ranger just speedruns vote on me to piss me off.

... I will hammer ranger though. Totally.

[gob]

gob if you're planning on pushing someone, do it now so the person csn claim

ill do it when i am ready

[Black]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

[Doctor Drew]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

[Black]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

I'm torn on Ranger but I feel like she's been trying to solve the game. Dann seemed pretty convinced she was in her town meta and I generally trust his reads. Also I don't really think scum!Ranger makes the move she did at the end of D1 to save python. I've gone back and forth on this but someone said the risk far outweighs the reward and I think I agree

[Doctor Drew]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

I'm torn on Ranger but I feel like she's been trying to solve the game. Dann seemed pretty convinced she was in her town meta and I generally trust his reads. Also I don't really think scum!Ranger makes the move she did at the end of D1 to save python. I've gone back and forth on this but someone said the risk far outweighs the reward and I think I agree

What about her voting Jackson, then calling him a town read?

[Black]

Uh I may have overlooked that. One sec

[Black]

{gob}
{Black}
{humaneatingmonkey, davesaz}
{T-Bone}
{Save The Dragons}
{Doctor Drew}
{Enchant, JacksonVirgo}
{Naerys}

Enchant (2):

Ranger, T-Bone

oh fuck never mind on enchant

As long as you assume I'm scum, you're never limming scum because my lim pool is comprised of the two remaining.

{Naerys, light_ganski/Enchant, Ausuka/JacksonVirgo, Doctor Drew}

I don't support davesaz or humaneatingmonkey because both are strongly spewed town.
I don't support Black or gob because both are strongly spewed town.
I don't support T-Bone because imo he is strongly spewed town.

I don't support STD who I feel is town.

POE, remaining four names contain both scum.

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

Yeah there is a clear disconnect here

[Black]

1757 was meant to put Jackson at e-1

Ranger why would you put a townlean at e-1 when the Enchant wagon is completely viable and you think Enchant is partnered with Naerys?

[gob]

i need a boost

[Ranger]

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

you vote "not clearly town" virgo but here you lean town on them
some contradictions, smh

Nice try. My stance has been very clear.

I believe both remaining scum are within {Naerys, JacksonVirgo, Enchant, Doctor Drew}.

I would vote anyone within that pool. JacksonVirgo has the most votes.

I personally think the team is Naerys+Enchant; my exact solve could be wrong, so I will vote any of the others within.

I can both believe JacksonVirgo is town and believe there's a good chance they flip scum. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and I've explained my stance here repeatedly.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can both believe JacksonVirgo is town and believe there's a good chance they flip scum. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and I've explained my stance here repeatedly.

Explain how they aren't mutually exclusive

[JacksonVirgo]

And if you're going to say "I already explained it" you didn't. Explain it again

[Ranger]

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

... why are you voting me if you lean me town?

Because you're in the PoE pool and have the most votes.

There's solid evidence suggesting your slot is likely scum. Ausuka had +scum interactions with usesPython, which you continued strongly. The chance you're scum is very high.

I personally believe the team is Naerys + Enchant. However, my personal belief could be wrong. And if my personal solve is wrong, then you would be one of the only other slots which could be scum.

I think you aren't scum; I think you still have a high chance of flipping scum.

And Doctor Drew has seen me explain this exact stance before so should know better.

[JacksonVirgo]

Crazy

[Ranger]

And Doctor Drew has seen me explain this exact stance before so should know better.

Reference.

I am willing to vote players who I personally don't believe are town when they are within my PoE and have a reasonably high chance of flipping scum.

It's both true JacksonVirgo is someone I currently lean town on and believe isn't town,
And that JacksonVirgo has a high chance of flipping scum, is within the PoE pool, and worth voting.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. My reads aren't perfect; my solves can be wrong; I'm willing to work with other players and pursue the elimination on a player they believe is scum if I feel their suspicions bear merit. This has always been my mafia philosophy and should be everyone's, so there's no big deal to be made and no contradiction within.

[Ranger]

And Doctor Drew has seen me explain this exact stance before so should know better.

Reference.

I am willing to vote players who I personally don't believe are town when they are within my PoE and have a reasonably high chance of flipping scum.

It's both true JacksonVirgo is someone I currently lean town on and believe isn't scum,
And that JacksonVirgo has a high chance of flipping scum, is within the PoE pool, and worth voting.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. My reads aren't perfect; my solves can be wrong; I'm willing to work with other players and pursue the elimination on a player they believe is scum if I feel their suspicions bear merit. This has always been my mafia philosophy and should be everyone's, so there's no big deal to be made and no contradiction within.

Typo'd, fix'd.

[davesaz]

Does your definition of viable change when there is less than 24 hours left on deadline? It does for me.

[Save The Dragons]

I can both believe JacksonVirgo is town and believe there's a good chance they flip scum.

It's both true JacksonVirgo is someone I currently lean town on and believe isn't scum,

and pursue the elimination on a player they believe is scum if I feel their suspicions bear merit.

(note, fixed typo)

[Save The Dragons]

i get what you're probably trying to say? but also

[Ranger]

Anyway i doubt ranger just speedruns vote on me to piss me off.

I was trying to elicit a reaction, although it was not my only motivation.

I voted Naerys as a placeholder until I could explain why she's obviously the scum on the usesPython wagon. I knew there wouldn't be the support for an elimination on her, least of all led by me, so my vote would be wasted there after I had explained myself. Since I had just finished explaining myself before you came in, my Naerys vote had served its purpose and I needed to find a vote which wouldn't be worthless.

There was about equal momentum between the two remaining names I most wanted to vote; JacksonVirgo, and you. You having just replaced in, I joined the wagon on you because I wanted you to react to it.

[davesaz]

Suppose you have 5 people who have a 10% chance of being scum, two people with 30%, and two people with 60%. If you're right on the two people who are 60% there is no chance the 30%ers can be scum. But if you are wrong on a 60%, the 30% jumps way up. It's mathematically sound thinking.