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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:23 am

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In post 500, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.04

with 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to make a decision. week 1 ends in (expired on 2023-08-31 19:00:00).


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Doctor Drew [6]:
Dannflor, Fire Assassin, GuiltyLion, Andresvmb, Aristeia, BlueSnakelet
Aristeia [3]:
Titus, Ranger, jjh927
furtiveglance [1]:
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osuka [1]:
Doctor Drew
GuiltyLion [1]:
KatyKimFanClub
Titus [1]:
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jjh927 [1]:
WhemeStar
Ranger [1]:
Dusa

not voting [4]:
furtiveglance, Deltabreedy, ina marija, osuka


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In post 1610, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.12

with 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to make a decision. week 1 ends in (expired on 2023-08-31 19:00:00).


dismissal
Sail [9]:
NorwegianboyEE, GuiltyLion, Aristeia, Fire Assassin, Doctor Drew, osuka, Andresvmb, Dusa, Dannflor
osuka [2]:
Sail, KatyKimFanClub
RCEnigma [1]:
Titus
furtiveglance [1]:
RCEnigma
Ranger [1]:
WhemeStar
WhemeStar [1]:
jjh927
Doctor Drew [1]:
camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy [1]:
Ranger
Aristeia [1]:
furtiveglance

not voting [1]:
ina marija


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From looking at these two wagons, I get the feeling there are two camps which happens frequently. There's little overlap between these wagons. A speed wagon might occur in these instances.

What's more telling is the townier voices recycled from Drew onto Ranger.
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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:24 am

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This speed wagon looks organic. It says nothing about accuracy but I don't have an issue with any members, just that it's a speed wagon.
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:26 am

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What’s your take on Ranger independent of the timing of the wagon?
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:30 am

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I'll admit that the wagon composition colors my results. Giving me VCs and ignoring it is difficult.

However, I am not a fan of Ranger's reads. They feel easy. Yes, she feels good on an individual reply basis but it feels like (aside from NorwegianboyEE) she's going for easy.
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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:31 am

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Titus, what is a float?
I’m assuming you don’t refer to a large inflatable raft on the water.
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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:47 am

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In post 1708, jjh927 wrote:You have Titus and Andres pretty low down considering their recent content. Did it not do anything for you?
It actually did a lot. I think they're pretty +town.

As I said. I've only two scumreads. Fire Assassin isn't a scumread. Andres and Titus are above Fire Assassin. Logically, if Fire Assassin isn't a scumread and logically, if Titus and Andresvmp are above Fire Assassin, then logically, I lean town on them to some unspecified amount.
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:51 am

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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:52 am

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In post 1779, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Titus, what is a float?
I’m assuming you don’t refer to a large inflatable raft on the water.
Shop a wagon without committing to it. To float an idea.
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:52 am

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In post 1727, Andresvmb wrote:I’ve been accusing Ranger of being Scum and they are perfectly happy to jump onto
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wagon (with the majority of their SRs on it)? I was voting it, Aristeia is on Sail, and you’re on it too I believe. How often do they think this flips Scum, you think?
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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:55 am

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In post 1732, GuiltyLion wrote:It's probably unrealistic/unlikely but I've been sorta low-key hoping Ranger vs Wheme is SvS so all of us can each be right about those two slots in our own way
Get used to disappointment.

You'll be that way as long as you see camelCasedSnivy and Aristeia as town.
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:00 am

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In post 1738, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1697, Ranger wrote:Sail's not my preferred flip. I don't particularly care to join the wagon. I personally believe Sail will flip town. I don't think so enough to advocate against, as I'm explicitly okay with the Sail elimination. I simply won't partake.
In post 1698, Ranger wrote:It's not something I think makes Sail instantly top my town charts. It does make me think Sail's more likely to flip town.
In post 1707, Ranger wrote:VOTE: Sail
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Ranger I'm not following how you evolved from the first post to the Sail vote

I see that you appeared to re-examine some townreads and did not find reason to doubt them, but did your Sail read change at all? I think what people (myself included) are seeing as 'off' is that you're vocalizing thoughts of Sail being town, or at least not-scummy, but your drive to wagon elsewhere seems non-existent, and now it's culminated in voting a slot you think will flip town?
You quoted the wrong parts to see.

The motivating factor behind the Sail vote was wanting to skip ahead to D2--to search for the deepscum I'm townreading now.

My read on Sail didn't particularly shift. I think Sail flips town. I saw Sail wasn't at l-1, I wanted the game to move on, and that was enough incentive to override a previous resistance to partaking.

As you've made the choice to collapse the Sail wagon, let me again inquire if there's interest here;
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:03 am

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In post 1749, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess one thing we should maybe consider is that Ranger did softclaim a PR
Hardclaim, actually. I'm 0% studying today because I need 100% banked for my role.
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:04 am

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UNVOTE:

I can’t in good conscience push a hard PR claim over the edge today, as suspicious as I may find the slot.
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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:05 am

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In post 1751, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Ranger
Why did you move me up in your reads lists at some point?
Your snark game improved.

This is a serious response. The improved snark, as well as approach, all made me think +town.
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:06 am

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In post 1783, Ranger wrote:
In post 1727, Andresvmb wrote:I’ve been accusing Ranger of being Scum and they are perfectly happy to jump onto
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wagon (with the majority of their SRs on it)? I was voting it, Aristeia is on Sail, and you’re on it too I believe. How often do they think this flips Scum, you think?
I voted Sail with the expectation Sail would flip town. Which would perhaps be apparent if reading the posts leading up to the vote.
I know, but I was hoping you would stick to your guns so to speak.
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:10 am

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In post 1757, Andresvmb wrote:So outside of Titus, the
entire bottom
of their reads supports a wagon and they jump on it? Make that make sense.
Well I already thought Sail was town, wagon composition isn't going to deter me from voting a slot I already don't expect to flip town.
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:12 am

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In post 1764, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1704, Ranger wrote:
In post 1702, Ranger wrote:I've too many players I think more town than scum.
My instincts are actually telling me the issue lies not in the middle to lower section, and I'm townreading efforting-deepscum near the top. Yet, due to the lengthy isos of most and the subtle warning signs I'd need to be scrutinizing for, it'd be far more effort than I can give right now. Spotting the tryharding scum requires looking at an iso I'm already inclined to think town and looking for signs it may not be. I don't have it in me now.
Tempted to shelf it until D2, honestly.
The setup for reference.
Bolded the part people seemed to not factor in to why I'd vote a slot I think town.
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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:15 am

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In post 1765, Andresvmb wrote: @Ranger why am I Scum to you?
You're not! I think you're town.
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:17 am

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In post 1769, Dusa wrote:Because we haven't found the other 3?!?!?!
I believe most players haven't found as much as one, because they're looking in the wrong spot.
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:23 am

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In post 1789, Andresvmb wrote:I know, but I was hoping you would stick to your guns so to speak.
I'm fluid. I don't stubbornly/stupidly stick to anything. Any appearance I do is a continuously renewed stance.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:23 am

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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:26 am

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In post 1787, Andresvmb wrote: UNVOTE:

I can’t in good conscience push a hard PR claim over the edge today, as suspicious as I may find the slot.
This is backwards..

If Ranger is not a pet, Ranger probably has a weak boon that is worth less than the murder she is gifting the Professor.

Overall it is best to pick her if you think she is not one of us, boons damned!
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:33 am

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@Ranger on your push on Wheme - my view is as follows and we can put this to rest (I had missed your ). From where I sit, it seemed Wheme interpreted your words at face value, and thought you had slipped (again, I don’t treat the sequence as a slip, it just isn’t). You retorted that they were wrong on the facts. The reason I described it as an attempt to “lower their standing” is not for anything you said directly, but because your response was that they had seen meaning in your words and ranking of slots that simply didn’t exist (my words). I think your response was unfair (and Scummy) because a literal reading of your statements could easily have been interpreted as you saying one thing at first (that Wheme was much higher than FA in your reads, though I get it - you clarified later that this wasn’t the case) that didn’t match subsequent statements (you would happily vote Wheme as stated in because they had decent odds of flipping Scum, despite it being a “lazy” wagon).

Okay, you clarified that the strength of the read wasn’t there, and Wheme should not have run with it to the extent that they did. Fine. But the point you made - that they were wrong about the factual content of your posts, that’s what I felt was wrong. And wrong in a way that would be more harmful for Wheme’s standing in the game than if they had merely been accused of exaggerating (which, again, I do feel they did). Remember, your clarification came
after
Wheme accused you of slipping, which I think is important.

Like I don’t think I have the above wrong on the sequence. I’m not trying to beat a dead horse, but I want to make sure I’m not imagining anything, or at least get you to see where I’m coming from even if you disagree. You seem to be unwilling to accept that you were not clear initially about the strength of your reads on the three slots, which Wheme thought you were conveniently ignoring to allow yourself to vote them, which seemed off to me. That’s the point.

I separately complained that you had me as Scum (or relatively low on your rankings) despite not looking through my catch up posts in much detail, though I will freely admit that it comes from me not seeing you probe at them and nothing anything I can ascertain with certainty. You could have read them closely, thought about my content, and then concluded I was Scum anyway. I just didn’t give you the benefit of the doubt there and perhaps that’s on me.
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:42 am

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In post 1796, Dusa wrote:
In post 1787, Andresvmb wrote: UNVOTE:

I can’t in good conscience push a hard PR claim over the edge today, as suspicious as I may find the slot.
This is backwards..

If Ranger is not a pet, Ranger probably has a weak boon that is worth less than the murder she is gifting the Professor.

Overall it is best to pick her if you think she is not one of us, boons damned!
No, this isn’t backwards. The clear implication of the claim is that Ranger has deemed it important to study at 0% because of the effect of their PR (I don’t want to know what it is, I’m not looking for a claim, I will judge the results. Though why the need to announce it, I can’t guess and I assume will be revealed in time). If Ranger is still around at a near point in the future, and the impact of their PR is not immediately felt by the Town, then the claim will seem more and more like a convenient one (yet clearly not done as a survival tactic since it was done to start the day). If they’re still around at ELo, do not hesitate to vote them, as that would be absurd and they should die 99.9% of the time in that situation.

I don’t think Scum like to paint themselves into a corner. It takes a skilled Scum to place themselves where Ranger is right now. I really do think some of the stuff they’ve done could be perceived as coming from Scum. I seriously question the lack of conviction - I am not the type of player that will just join a wagon with most of my SRs because “compromise”. Never. I would go and think hard about whether my SRs are wrong, or I’m right and I need to be insisting on executing one of the players making the push.
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:45 am

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Generally speaking, Sail is lower risk and perhaps that’s our only option at this stage. I haven’t been able to find an alternative and my push on KKFC ended up making me think they were Town. Which hurray, useful information, doesn’t help me in advocating super strongly for a particular execution.

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