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[JacksonVirgo]

OH i get it

scroll up from YOUR post, not mine

it's on this page

Oh lol, I see

[shaddowez]

I will vote sky, StD, Jackson...whatever counterwagon to shaddow's gets the most support

Other game finally ended after a dragged out final Day, so I can say things I've been holding back on. The Skygazer had steam on it until all of a sudden it didn't, and pivoted to me as a strong counter wagon. On top of that, Sky's play here is different than in 894. It feels like she's trying to be as nonchalant as she was in that game, but trying a little bit more. It feels forced, and while I don't disagree with StD that her play makes it seem like she's thinking about the game, I don't see why that can't be from a scum POV.

VOTE: Skygazer

[Alianna]

3.12

Votecount 3.12

shaddowez (E-2): JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Skygazer (E-2): SirCakez, Argonauts, shaddowez
Save The Dragons (2): Black, Skygazer

Not Voting (1): Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: VoteWall

3.06

Votecount 3.06

Skygazer (E-1): SirCakez, Argonauts, lucca261, Black
SirCakez (2): JacksonVirgo, Skygazer
Black (1): Jake The Wolfie
shaddowez (1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.07

Votecount 3.07

Skygazer (E-1): SirCakez, Argonauts, lucca261, Black
shaddowez (2): Save The Dragons, JacksonVirgo
SirCakez (1): Skygazer
Black (1): Jake The Wolfie

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.08

Votecount 3.08

Skygazer (E-1): SirCakez, Argonauts, lucca261, Black
shaddowez (E-2): Save The Dragons, JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie
SirCakez (1): Skygazer

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.09

Votecount 3.09

shaddowez (E-1): Save The Dragons, JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Skygazer (2): SirCakez, Argonauts
SirCakez (1): Skygazer
Save The Dragons (1): Black

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.10

Votecount 3.10

shaddowez (E-1): JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261, Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons (E-2): Black, Skygazer, Argonauts
Skygazer (1): SirCakez

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.11

Votecount 3.11

shaddowez (E-2): JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Save The Dragons (E-2): Black, Skygazer, Argonauts
Skygazer (1): SirCakez

Not Voting (2): shaddowez, Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

3.12

Votecount 3.12

shaddowez (E-2): JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Skygazer (E-2): SirCakez, Argonauts, shaddowez
Save The Dragons (2): Black, Skygazer

Not Voting (1): Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

These VCs are quite interesting.

The Current Skygazer wagon is (or perhaps will be) composed of people who were on the Skygazer wagon the last time, while the current Shadez wagon is composed of people from other soruces. Also, it looks like the Skygazer wagon pretty much jumped ship onto Dragons (with the loss of Lucca), which is now sloshing between Dragons and Skygazer.

What do I make of it? Well, looking between VCs 3.08 and 3.09, we can see a shift in votes, where the new top wagon is Shadez and the previous wagon is starting to fall apart. This is also the first vote on the Dragons wagon. This indicates the first shift in votes away from Skygazer and onto Dragons. To me, it looks as though the wolves are fishing for an alternate wagon to Shadez here, though that wouldn't explain why they are sloshing between Skygazer and Dragons.
If I had to guess, it's to lend support for either wagon so that they can consolidate on a wagon later.

I'm currently thinking of a scum!Black and scum!Argon paring, I'll check the previous days to see if these trends hold any water.

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't you think it's a little late for wolves to still be supporting two to consolidate onto later? Are you seeing a Black/Argon/Shadow team?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh wait I thought we had a lot less time than we did, ignore me.

[Argonauts]

Don't you think it's a little late for wolves to still be supporting two to consolidate onto later? Are you seeing a Black/Argon/Shadow team?

why black?
~o

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't you think it's a little late for wolves to still be supporting two to consolidate onto later? Are you seeing a Black/Argon/Shadow team?

why black?
~o

Did you read their post?

[Black]

VOTE: Skygazer

[JacksonVirgo]

Black, you really don't see shadow as a wolf?

[Black]

Not really

What are your 3 main reasons for thinking he's scum? I don't have time to look and check atm

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're right on Shadow, I'm wrong somewhere and I don't know where. I thought my stance was pretty clear but I guess not. I don't have a case against shadow, I'm on him as a placeholder that stuck because I don't know where else to go. The other wagons I dislike quite a lot which makes it uncomfortable to reasonably vote anywhere else. I think STD reacted great to the pressure he had especially regarding where he was placing his votes, albeit the behaviour he showed at the start was a little yikes and you already know my stance on Skygazer. The people I scum-read had made me have to look elsewhere or claimed something in a way that shouldn't be focused today so I'm at complete odds of where to go so I'm going with the person I have no real substantial read on because going with people I think are town is not comfortable. I feel that's not ideal, and if you don't see them as a wolf I want to be willing to compromise and vote somebody you wanted beyond my reads but I don't know who I'd be more comfortable to vote out of STD/Skygazer so I'm feeling like sticking here is probably what I'll end up doing. I have to be wrong somewhere though, my inherent "solve" was Jake/Cakez/Shadow and I doubt that's the team.

Where would I be wrong though? Argo perhaps, but unlikely. One of STD/Skygazer maybe considering the confidence people had on Skygazer but I really didn't like the argument Argo had against Skygazer's wagon stagnating. Argo might actually just be a wolf here. I'm probably labelling surface level town-tells to things that shouldn't be town-read. Scum could very easily just counter the push on Jacob for town-points, they must be a good wolf though if that is the case because it doesn't reek of TMI which is the main factor of my town-read on what they've done.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't know

[JacksonVirgo]

I need to factory reset

[SirCakez]

I just feel like shaddow is town. He's been town in like 3 of my recent games and this is exactly how he played. He came and went, and when he was here he posted townie stuff. I think his wagon composition is pretty bad as well

I will vote sky, StD, Jackson...whatever counterwagon to shaddow's gets the most support

I'm willing to sheep Black on this shadow read for now

[SirCakez]

Argo has also fallen off for me. They feel like they haven't been much of an influence on much today and considering the contingent of that hydra I feel like they should be having more impact rn

[Argonauts]

Maybe that's a cultural difference, do you usually not claim guilties immediately here?

What kind of question is this? You've been here for years and have 10k posts, surely you're aware of various strategies investigatives might take with regard to their results. In my admittedly limited experience they're typically shy about outright claiming a guilty and prefer to just make a strong push in hopes of not getting taken out the next night.

-Atalanta

I played here about 10% of the total time I've played mafia, including my substantial hiatus which I'm just recently coming back from and I've never had someone say what you just said regarding hiding a red-check so I was just asking if that's a thing that happens here. Where I'm from, we claim guilties immediately. There's not much utility in hiding a guilty as a 1 for 1 always benefits the Town, I don't wanna play mindgames and push people and claim a guilty later if it doesn't work, that idea sounds so awful to me.

So this whole sequence was lost on you? You paid no mind to how your scum partner nearly got turbo yeeted because your other scum partner came into the day voting him and townies interpreted it as a guilty? Even when she talked about it in the mafia PT?

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

-Atalanta

[Argonauts]

Argo has also fallen off for me. They feel like they haven't been much of an influence on much today and considering the contingent of that hydra I feel like they should be having more impact rn

I'll... take it as a compliment that I'm apparently supposed to have an impact?

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe that's a cultural difference, do you usually not claim guilties immediately here?

What kind of question is this? You've been here for years and have 10k posts, surely you're aware of various strategies investigatives might take with regard to their results. In my admittedly limited experience they're typically shy about outright claiming a guilty and prefer to just make a strong push in hopes of not getting taken out the next night.

-Atalanta

I played here about 10% of the total time I've played mafia, including my substantial hiatus which I'm just recently coming back from and I've never had someone say what you just said regarding hiding a red-check so I was just asking if that's a thing that happens here. Where I'm from, we claim guilties immediately. There's not much utility in hiding a guilty as a 1 for 1 always benefits the Town, I don't wanna play mindgames and push people and claim a guilty later if it doesn't work, that idea sounds so awful to me.

:thinking:

So this whole sequence was lost on you? You paid no mind to how your scum partner nearly got turbo yeeted because your other scum partner came into the day voting him and townies interpreted it as a guilty? Even when she talked about it in the mafia PT?

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

-Atalanta

I have no idea what you're talking about, mind clarifying?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I think I understand but if you think that just because that happened I should immediately just assume the right play is to not claim a guilty, you're sorely mistaken. This line of reasoning is worse than garbage

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't throw down your playstyle down my throat and pretend it means anything, I resent that

[JacksonVirgo]

I did forget that happened at all, it was such a minor event in that game and you're pretending it should have blown my worldview wide open. Lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm sorry for calling the read worse than garbage, that was uncalled for. I do think this is a huge stretch to jump onto me for, makes me think you're doing it for a reason beyond this argument which like if Skygazer does flip and flips red, I'm seeing partner equity but I don't want to jump to conclusions. Would they jump to me instead of shadow though if they wanted to jump ship? Probably not

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually no, Argo probably would never be a wolf with Skygazer based on the argument they (specifically Drew) made against them

[Black]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo